Boondocking safety-Are you armed?

Mossberg 500 with bear slugs for "wildlife" protection.;)

Old-Biscuit wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

doc brown wrote:
Sweet! Eight pages and we are still on. Interesting, the antgunners will never convince the progunners and visa versa. I carry whether you like it or not, you'll never know I have one but you better pray that when you are in a really bad situation someone is nearby and willing to help. Help could involve a firearm, not necessarily. But if a firearm is required you'll be thankful the armed citizen was willing to help. No law says he has to. As my neighbor in my sticks and bricks neighborhood who knows I carry and knows my house is stocked well asked, "if I'm in trouble over here will you come and help?" My answer, "I'd call 911" , but he says "that will take about 10 minutes for the police to arrive", "sorry why don't you get a weapon for your families safety", " no way I would never own a gun". There you go, I hear that quite often. I refuse to be a victim.

I protect myself. I do not depend on a stranger carrying to keep me safe. Likewise, I don't expect an armed neighbor to come to my rescue. I take precautions as I see fit, not as others dictate.

I am willing to accept the "risk" of not having a gun. I refuse to be a victim too. I just don't believe I need a gun for that.

As part of discussion......
What do you use to protect yourself?

First and foremost - my brain.

Second - my attitude.

Third - my dogs.

Fourth - whatever I have handy.

I have never had to go to the fourth - the other three have always been successful. And yes, I have been in situations that were dangerous (two vagrants fresh off a train trying to bash in my front door with a railroad tie, etc.).

toedtoes wrote:

doc brown wrote:
Sweet! Eight pages and we are still on. Interesting, the antgunners will never convince the progunners and visa versa. I carry whether you like it or not, you'll never know I have one but you better pray that when you are in a really bad situation someone is nearby and willing to help. Help could involve a firearm, not necessarily. But if a firearm is required you'll be thankful the armed citizen was willing to help. No law says he has to. As my neighbor in my sticks and bricks neighborhood who knows I carry and knows my house is stocked well asked, "if I'm in trouble over here will you come and help?" My answer, "I'd call 911" , but he says "that will take about 10 minutes for the police to arrive", "sorry why don't you get a weapon for your families safety", " no way I would never own a gun". There you go, I hear that quite often. I refuse to be a victim.

I protect myself. I do not depend on a stranger carrying to keep me safe. Likewise, I don't expect an armed neighbor to come to my rescue. I take precautions as I see fit, not as others dictate.

I am willing to accept the "risk" of not having a gun. I refuse to be a victim too. I just don't believe I need a gun for that.

As part of discussion......
What do you use to protect yourself?

Ralph Cramden wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
The USA has a problem with guns. I don't know the solution--but what is being done now certainly is NOT working.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

A scatter graph of the over 45,000 incidents (so far in 2017) including over 11000 deaths.



Something to take away from the graph is that the farther you are from a high population density--the safer it appears to be. That's what boondocking is all about, yes?

LOL, posted by a Canadian referencing a NY Times article. That's special. Perhaps do not visit the USA if you're that concerned, and if you do just visit one of the states where they have it all figured out and safe, all through legislation, such as NY, NJ, MD, MA and most New England states, or most of the west coast lol.

That graphic is interesting. Compare it to a map of states that have the most stringent gun control and you'll see the red dots are mostly concentrated there lol.

Don't think so. Just look at this map:



Dark blue states have the highest rate of deaths caused by firearms, lightest blue the lowest. The number of circles indicates the number of laws, four circles meaning the most, one meaning the least. Pretty good correlation. NY, NJ, CA, CT MA etc. have lots of gun laws and low death rates. States like MS, LA, AR, AZ and AK have few gun laws and are in the top 25% for gun death rates.

There are exceptions. Nebraska and NH have fewer laws yet a low death rate while Alabama and SC have more laws but a higher death rate. But plotted up on a graph, there's still a strong correlation between higher number of gun deaths and fewer laws.

On this map, remember that deaths can be from suicide, accident, homicide, etc. And homicide deaths are often at the hands of family members or acquaintances, not random shootings.

But some of the states with the lowest death rates, like CT and RI are a little short on boondocking locations.

Dig down by all means. But Japan is 0.06 per 100,000 and USA is 10.54 per 100,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

memtb wrote:
So as "not" to be "politically incorrect ".... if you dig deeply enough into the FBI's own statistics,you can find "where" the large numbers come from. If these contributing numbers are removed from the statistical data, we fall below many of the Eroupean nations and (several years ago) even Japan. I haven't seen these statistics in several years, and this may not be accurate at present!

pianotuna wrote:
Ralph,

The only thing "special" is that many folks in USA don't see there are issues that need to be solved. See the article JaxDad posted.

So as "not" to be "politically incorrect ".... if you dig deeply enough into the FBI's own statistics,you can find "where" the large numbers come from. If these contributing numbers are removed from the statistical data, we fall below many of the Eroupean nations and (several years ago) even Japan. I haven't seen these statistics in several years, and this may not be accurate at present!

No guns allowed here in Canada. First we apologize eh, then above my door hangs an air horn can, bear spray and 2 Shitzus nearby.

Ralph,

The only thing "special" is that many folks in USA don't see there are issues that need to be solved. See the article JaxDad posted.

I'm an American, who lives in Canada, not that I see what that has to do with anything, however.....

According to this article the US has a death by firearms rate that is 25 times higher than 22 similarly wealthy nations.

Since there are (obviously) no 'border checkpoints' between States there is no practical way to stop the flow of firearms between them either.

Using a line commonly heard up here 'criminals aren't too concerned by laws saying they can't have guns'.

pianotuna wrote:
The USA has a problem with guns. I don't know the solution--but what is being done now certainly is NOT working.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

A scatter graph of the over 45,000 incidents (so far in 2017) including over 11000 deaths.



Something to take away from the graph is that the farther you are from a high population density--the safer it appears to be. That's what boondocking is all about, yes?

LOL, posted by a Canadian referencing a NY Times article. That's special. Perhaps do not visit the USA if you're that concerned, and if you do just visit one of the states where they have it all figured out and safe, all through legislation, such as NY, NJ, MD, MA and most New England states, or most of the west coast lol.

That graphic is interesting. Compare it to a map of states that have the most stringent gun control and you'll see the red dots are mostly concentrated there lol.