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Sep 02, 2020

Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess

This post is not about the virus or masks or anything else that is controversial. Please do not post anything that will kill the thread. I was reading an article about the tourist industry down by 60% in Puerto Vallarta. Also another about tourists not going to Churchill to see the Polar bears. We all know how things have changed for our RV travel. But what is really serious is the effect on Snowbird destinations. In many of these communities almost 30% of the winter visitors are Canadians. With the border closed Canadians will not be travelling to the USA. Some Canadians with units that remain in the USA may decide to fly. The rest will be at home. This will result in a lack of business for RV parks,Restaurants, gas stations, retail stores and more. Some of these businesses will probably close. Even many American snowbirds may decide not to travel for health reasons.One has to wonder about changes that may remain permanent at RV parks. Pot lucks might be a thing of the past. Crowded music jams could end. Sure does not sound like fun! I suppose that Canadians will now be hoarding winter parkas and boots!

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Please do not post anything that will kill the thread. I was reading an article about the tourist industry down by 60% in Puerto Vallarta. Also another about tourists not going to Churchill to see the Polar bears. We all know how things have changed for our RV travel. But what is really serious is the effect on Snowbird destinations. In many of these communities almost 30% of the winter visitors are Canadians. With the border closed Canadians will not be travelling to the USA. Some Canadians with units that remain in the USA may decide to fly. The rest will be at home. This will result in a lack of business for RV parks,Restaurants, gas stations, retail stores and more. Some of these businesses will probably close. Even many American snowbirds may decide not to travel for health reasons.One has to wonder about changes that may remain permanent at RV parks. Pot lucks might be a thing of the past. Crowded music jams could end. Sure does not sound like fun! I suppose that Canadians will now be hoarding winter parkas and boots!","body@stringLength":"1122","rawBody":"This post is not about the virus or masks or anything else that is controversial. Please do not post anything that will kill the thread. I was reading an article about the tourist industry down by 60% in Puerto Vallarta. Also another about tourists not going to Churchill to see the Polar bears. We all know how things have changed for our RV travel. But what is really serious is the effect on Snowbird destinations. In many of these communities almost 30% of the winter visitors are Canadians. With the border closed Canadians will not be travelling to the USA. Some Canadians with units that remain in the USA may decide to fly. The rest will be at home. This will result in a lack of business for RV parks,Restaurants, gas stations, retail stores and more. Some of these businesses will probably close. Even many American snowbirds may decide not to travel for health reasons.One has to wonder about changes that may remain permanent at RV parks. Pot lucks might be a thing of the past. Crowded music jams could end. Sure does not sound like fun! 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Your last post is very negative and worded pejoratively. I wear a mask because I fear giving COVID-19 to YOU not the other way around. You might welcome getting it now because \"you're eventually going to be exposed to it somehow\".

If EVERYBODY gets exposed eventually, that will be about 380,000,000 deaths worldwide. I'm not prepared to accept that. I'll do what little I can to avoid spreading to others, even you.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-10T13:36:03.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-10T13:36:03.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":288},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380261","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:330645":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:330645","uid":330645,"login":"MDKMDK","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-10-15T19:02:03.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:330645"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380260":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380260","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380260":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:330645"},"id":"message:3380260","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380260,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380260"},"body":"
joebedford wrote:
MDKMDK wrote:
It's apparent to some that the polls up here are asking Canadians who never cross the border anyway about it, and they are the ones who want to keep it closed, as it doesn't affect them either way.
I've been snowbirding every year (except 2017) for the last 17 years and I don't want the border to open. I was in the States when the pandemic was ramping up and obvious (to me) that a very dangerous problem was coming. My neighbors (the ones without the 'u') were engaging in what we considered to be very dangerous behavior (again without the 'u'). They still are from reports in the park.

Nope nope nope. Keep the border closed both ways. I'm skipping at least this year.

Again, directed at me.
I respect your opinion. I just disagree with it.
Peace.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-10T13:27:30.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-10T13:27:30.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":288},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380260","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380259":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380259","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380259":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:40951"},"id":"message:3380259","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380259,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380259"},"body":"
silversand wrote:
We are banking (er, the right word?) on the US side opening for Canadians by October/November, regardless what Canada does. What would it matter to Canada anyway, as only Canadians would be allowed back into Canada under that new reciprocity.
I'm hoping that Canada can implement some sort of rule like for Canadians who went to Syria to fight for ISIS: go to a COVID-19 infested country and you can't come back.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-10T13:26:00.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-10T13:26:00.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":288},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380259","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380258":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380258","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380258":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:330645"},"id":"message:3380258","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380258,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380258"},"body":"
BarbaraOK wrote:
It's up to the individual to decide what's right or acceptable for themselves.


And that would be well and good EXCEPT the act of simply breathing out, if you are infected and contagious (usually before symptoms show) means that you can infect every individual within 4-5 meters of you. You might feel you are able to handle the disease. At 75, I am reasonably healthy, but know I'd probably get pretty sick. Hubby had quad by-pass this year with complications (why we spent the summer in AZ), and he's diabetic with only ~30% kidney function left - - it I get sick because I was near you, and give it to him, then he will die.


Since this is directed at me, I'll respond.
In my opinion, you should both avoid going anywhere at all, then. Masks aren't 100% effective in preventing transmission, or no one would ever die after a simple sugical procedure from sepsis, but it happens.
I also believe you can't penalize the vast majority of people because they \"might\" infect you, because you're more susceptible to catching something including coronavirus infections (like the seasonal flus and colds). If you're that fearful of catching it and dying, it's up to you to decide what level of risk you're comfortable accepting before you leave the house, knowing what you know about your own personal health situations, and what the \"experts\" have told us about CV19. You can't force otherwise healthy people to \"coccoon\" themselves forever because of your personal situation.
While I understand your concerns over your health, you can't hide under the bed forever, nor can you expect the rest of the world to accomodate your fears. It's also my considered opinion that even if you completely withdraw from society in an attempt to protect your self from the virus, you'll still eventually be exposed to it somehow, more than likely by that Amazon order you just received, or that pile of junk mail you just opened, or just something you ate or drank, or through some other chink in the armor, but it will happen eventually.
I've said it before, living in fear isn't really living at all, and that comes from a senior citizen with a compromised immune system .
Finally, before you go telling me how selfish I am, reread your post and tell me how we're different, in that respect.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-10T13:25:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-10T13:25:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":288},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380258","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380257":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380257","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380257":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:40951"},"id":"message:3380257","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380257,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380257"},"body":"
MDKMDK wrote:
It's apparent to some that the polls up here are asking Canadians who never cross the border anyway about it, and they are the ones who want to keep it closed, as it doesn't affect them either way.
I've been snowbirding every year (except 2017) for the last 17 years and I don't want the border to open. I was in the States when the pandemic was ramping up and obvious (to me) that a very dangerous problem was coming. My neighbors (the ones without the 'u') were engaging in what we considered to be very dangerous behavior (again without the 'u'). They still are from reports in the park.

Nope nope nope. Keep the border closed both ways. I'm skipping at least this year.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-10T13:22:21.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-10T13:22:21.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":199},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380257","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:56469":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:56469","uid":56469,"login":"MPI_Mallard","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-12-20T15:17:05.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:56469"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380256":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380256","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380256":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:56469"},"id":"message:3380256","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380256,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380256"},"body":"Good points made,, Frau Blücher and I have resolved to stay here in Ontario for this coming winter and as we are \"full-timers\" and sold the sticks n' bricks long ago and with the housing market here where a dump I wouldn't pay $100K for going #300K+ made it un reasonable to buy into I am forced to rent which I despise,,, oh well,,, I sent both the fat-man in Ontario and our first lady up in Ottawa e-mails suggesting they re-consider this border issue arguing the outright ridiculous fact that I'm able to fly to my owned winter property in Florida but I can't haul my fiver' across the Ambassador bridge being an un-fair burden that we and other Canadian retired tax paying snowbirds are forced to bear and that I for one will remember this come voting time as I'm sure other snow-birds will!!

Red Green: If life gives you lemons, throw 'em
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But I am thinking that maybe by January it will be open. The impoved loonie is teasing me!!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"133","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-08T15:01:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-08T15:01:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":185},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380254","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:164631":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:164631","uid":164631,"login":"BarbaraOK","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-10-27T18:50:42.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:164631"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380253":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380253","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380253":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:164631"},"id":"message:3380253","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380253,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380253"},"body":"
It's up to the individual to decide what's right or acceptable for themselves.


And that would be well and good EXCEPT the act of simply breathing out, if you are infected and contagious (usually before symptoms show) means that you can infect every individual within 4-5 meters of you. You might feel you are able to handle the disease. At 75, I am reasonably healthy, but know I'd probably get pretty sick. Hubby had quad by-pass this year with complications (why we spent the summer in AZ), and he's diabetic with only ~30% kidney function left - - it I get sick because I was near you, and give it to him, then he will die.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-08T11:45:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-08T11:45:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":185},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380253","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380252":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3380252","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3380252":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:330645"},"id":"message:3380252","revisionNum":1,"uid":3380252,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Campgrounds"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3380208"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3380208"},"subject":"Re: Changes to Snowbird lifestyle and Snowbird communitiess","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3380252"},"body":"
silversand wrote:
MDKMDK:

I agree completely with every one of your points. We are banking (er, the right word?) on the US side opening for Canadians by October/November, regardless what Canada does. What would it matter to Canada anyway, as only Canadians would be allowed back into Canada under that new reciprocity. I hope that the \"concept\" of (strict) land border reciprocity drastically evolves, in light of the \"one covid plan fits all\" approach that Canada has taken up till today, with absolutely no hint of engaging the US side (border opening) proposals already on the table.

And, I agree that a near-term \"vaccine\" is not a guarantee, and because of this, a Plan B to open the land border(s) has to be done now. I think there has been too much foot-dragging on this front \"up here\".

We had booked our return to the US (Florida) during the \"pandemic\", when we were assured by our health insurance company that they would honor our policy no matter what, and were, um, forced to return at end of March (despite our Florida community and management practicing fairly strict pandemic protocols quite before a pandemic was \"declared\"). We were supposed to be back this November, however, because of refund rules, I had to prune-off November and December, and fall back to 2021 January to March (grrr !).


We're in a similar holding pattern, having planned for our winter trip to begin in December, and run to end of March, but the border closure has put it all on hold. We had to cancel our plans last winter for some unexpected medical issues (refund rules considered), but were prepared to pick up where we left off this year, and then CV19 happened.
So, it's wait and see. Just got a flyer from our local MP, and she says in it that the border isn't likely to open soon, essentially \"out of fear\" of the number of CV19 cases (with very few fatalities or ICU trips) in the US, and that they \"have to protect the safety of Canadians\" during the pandemic, which I personally believe is categorically false. It's up to the individual to decide what's right or acceptable for themselves. On one hand, I'd like them to stop treating us like children, and on the other, I actually wish they'd treat everyone like children, because they're almost immune to the virus. We could just get on with life again. We've got to stop being treated like we don't know how to take care and reasonable precautions towards not getting sick from this virus, like we do for seasonal colds and flus. Your point about a \"one size fits all\" solution to all these complex issues, is bang on. It simply doesn't work. The foot dragging up here has been another puzzling aspect of the border traffic issue.
Anyway, keep your fingers crossed and maybe we'll see a unilateral border opening. You're right about the return to Canada part. A 2 week stint in quarantine is a small price to pay for a few months in the sun. The alternative is a seemingly endless virtual quarantine, stuck in Canada in the snow.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-09-08T09:21:26.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-08T09:21:26.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":185},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:Campgrounds/message:3380208/message:3380252","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1738256407000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1738256407000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1738256407000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1738256407000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1738256407000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1738256407000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1738256407000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1738256407000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1738256407000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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