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4X4Dodger
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Jun 06, 2016

How Not to Run an RV Park

On two occasions here in Alaska we have been witness to exactly how NOT to run an RV Park if you want it to prosper. Or even stay in business.

In the first in Anchorage the park was very close to downtown and had everything one needed.

As we stayed there almost a week we realized several things: They had more staff that most stadiums employ. Including a Full Time Manager and his wife that lives in town. (they are not workcampers) in addition TWO sets of workcampers were present. And in addition to this it seemed there were additional employees doing maintenance.

The hours of operation of the office were 10 am to 5 pm!

Now we watched many Rv's come after 5 pm stop at the door look at the place, drive thru and leave. One afternoon we watched at least 5 rigs do this.

Now my bet is if there were someone in that office to greet and answer questions most of those five would have stayed. This happened every day we were there.

In a Seasonal business this really can hurt you.

We are now in a park where we arrived on Sunday at close to lunch. Office was closed. I figured they just close on Sundays. There is no notice on the door of when they might return, office hours posted indicate they are supposed to be open from 9 to 5 on Sundays and 9 to 6 on Weekdays, and here we sit at 9:30 on Monday morning waiting for that office to open. Never opened at all on Sun.

There is NO option for leaving a payment in an envelope, getting the wiFi code or change for the laundry.

At least three Rv's that came in Sunday, waited for the office to open this morning but finally left in frustration.

Now in the first case the office hours are clearly crazy. Two workcamping couples and an on-site full time manager could man that office 24-7. But that is not necessary 7am to 7 or 8 pm would have captured virtually all of that missed business. And I still could have given them all days off and reasonable hours.

As for where we are now. This is really baffling. You have honest people who stay and want to pay but wont stay and wait indefinitely, and who can blame them, and they end up leaving.

I think too many RV Parks are run as "Hobby" businesses or are owned and managed by absentee owners/managers who have no idea what is going on.

As a guy who has owned several businesses including a resort hotel and grew up in a "Business" Family this strikes me as just incomprehensibly irresponsible.
  • Bob & Ann wrote:
    4X4dodger
    Sounds like an opportunity for you to enjoy Alaska and make some serious money. Start a campground consulting service.


    I am not sure whether your post was meant sincerely or in a more less generous way.

    But I do feel I have the ability to look at a business and see it's problems and Challenges and strengths...Please see my response to RVParkowner below.
  • Once again, a reasoned and knowledgeable response from someone who actually knows something about running an RV park. Thanks westernrvparkowner!
    I think you could probably spend all of your time here trying to inform the "shoot from the hip" types. I'm glad that at least some of the strange notions that get put forth on this forum have a bit of actual knowlege sprinkled on them. Let's hope they might actually learn a thing to two.
  • JFNM wrote:
    The business MAY be a tax write off for the owner! :-)

    I remember a story from a few years ago. A rich fellow bought a ranch and hired an old hand to run it. At the end of the first year, the old hand showed the owner that he had made a bit of money and the owner was furious. Told him to never, ever turn a profit again.
    The entire "tax write off" thing is basically urban legend. The IRS requires a business to periodically earn a profit, otherwise it is considered to be a hobby and the expenses against that hobby are not eligible to be written off. Furthermore, the maximum write off against a loss would be the highest marginal tax rate, currently 39.6 percent. Thus even a tax write off would still amount to a 60.4 percent real loss, not very good business. Yes, there are ways to massage the tax code in your favor. You can buy items within your business that are really primarily for personal use and write them off. You can push tax obligations into the future by taking depreciation and the like. But the IRS eventually gets their money and just plain running a business at a loss isn't a tax strategy.
    And what is wrong with a business having employees? How is the OP so involved in the day to day operation of that park allowing him to KNOW that having 7 employees is too many, assuming of course the lawn maintenance person was actually an employee of the park and not an outside contractor who mows the park on Tuesday? I know I have more than that and I consider myself to run a very lean operation.
  • The business MAY be a tax write off for the owner! :-)

    I remember a story from a few years ago. A rich fellow bought a ranch and hired an old hand to run it. At the end of the first year, the old hand showed the owner that he had made a bit of money and the owner was furious. Told him to never, ever turn a profit again.
  • I agree that it doesn't sound like a very good business practice the way it is, but it must be working for them!
  • That much staff in example #1 sounds like family to me.
  • 4X4dodger
    Sounds like an opportunity for you to enjoy Alaska and make some serious money. Start a campground consulting service.

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