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nickthehunter wrote:
You all act like nothing like that happened when you were kids. It did. I can sight you a whole raft of incidents from 50 and 100 years ago just as bad or worse then this incident. So many posts blaming the todays kids as being something worse than what is really going on. Nothing has changed, it's still the "many" getting blamed for what a "few" do.
X2. It's great that so many here were brought up "properly" and have "respect" and so on. But there have been just as many incidents like this caused by people of YOUR generation (insert any generation here).nickthehunter wrote:
You all act like nothing like that happened when you were kids. It did. I can sight you a whole raft of incidents from 50 and 100 years ago just as bad or worse then this incident. So many posts blaming the todays kids as being something worse than what is really going on. Nothing has changed, it's still the "many" getting blamed for what a "few" do.
While your statement is true on it;s face, it is also ignoring the fact that When I was a boy (12 years old) in 1965 Many many more boys were Boy Scouts, it was like a rite of passage. Now most are not in Scouts and never get the training in respecting the wilderness that BS gave one.
Second there is an UNDENIABLE difference in the civility of society over the past 50 years. I see many parents indulging their children in clearly bad behaviour IN PUBLIC that would have gotten me sent to the car and my room when we got home.
Further my parents made it very clear to me that there is acceptable bahaviour in public and a bit different at home...and woe to me if I ever mixed them up.
I think what you are hearing from so many is this: In a lot of cases manners have been ignored by so many parents that we have a generation or two of very ill mannered folks who do not have the slightest idea how to act in public.
There are always exceptions llike at the restaurant we were recently at, where a young Maybe 14 year old boy that stood up and pulled out the chair of an elderly woman who was getting up, waited and slid it back in place. Or the many kids and young folks who hold the door for me as I am entering a store...and actually say "your Welcome" when I thank them. Some parents are instilling good manners in their kids but I fear the vast majority act much as their parents do in public...very badly.
I cannot count the times I sit in restaurants and hear the "F" word loudly emanating from the mouth of a young woman in general conversation usually followed by "Sh&t". This sort of language has it's place, but it's NOT in a restaurant or around the very young. And even if it was a young man making the comment it would be out of bounds and inappropriate in that setting. It's CONTEXT of place.
Were we as a generation perfect? absolutely not. But I think we had, and have, a better handle on the context of place, manners and what behavior is appropriate given the circumstances.- You all act like nothing like that happened when you were kids. It did. I can sight you a whole raft of incidents from 50 and 100 years ago just as bad or worse then this incident. So many posts blaming the todays kids as being something worse than what is really going on. Nothing has changed, it's still the "many" getting blamed for what a "few" do.
- I grew up in a time when we learned respect for self and respect for others.
That is basically gone here in the United States now; so sad but little - virtually nothing - I can do to make any great changes.
In my teens I was a leader doing Scout canoe trips in northern WI. I was called the Voyageur - the Explorer Scout person that was kinda between the adult leaders and the Scouts.
It was expected that we leave a back country campsite improved in some form. And, of course, clean. This was a good lesson for us young guys to learn.
I can honestly say that we have always left our sites clean. We did that when we tent camped with our children and we do it now as we rv.
I am NOT looking for glorification here at all. Not the point. The point is the change in our society.
And, guess what, it is not going to get better. I think of the generations next to come and I am - like I have so often said - glad I lived in the best times the United States has ever seen, or ever will see.
IMHO.
(Putting the soap box back in storage! :-) ) coolbreeze01 wrote:
Tachdriver wrote:
coolbreeze01 wrote:
"Both the University of Oregon and a fraternity issued apologies over a trashed campground on Lake Shasta, where a group of college students partied over the weekend."
Who gets the job of cleaning up?
"Spokeswoman Phyllis Swanson with the U.S. Forest Service said several groups have offered to clean up the mess left over the weekend at Slaughterhouse Island, including members of a fraternity whose logo was found on a drink cooler at the campground.
The University of Oregon chapter of the Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity issued a statement on its Facebook page Monday evening, calling the scene at Lake Shasta "absolutely unacceptable."
Well apologies and statements are so easily "issued" these days with the level of sincerity left in question. What counts is action...not FaceBook apologies...however the apologies are warranted, needed and appropriate.
If my parents had found out that I had been part of a group that did such a thing I would have been MADE to go and apologize IN PERSON face to face with the guy in charge. Then clean my mess.Tachdriver wrote:
coolbreeze01 wrote:
"Both the University of Oregon and a fraternity issued apologies over a trashed campground on Lake Shasta, where a group of college students partied over the weekend."
Who gets the job of cleaning up?
"Spokeswoman Phyllis Swanson with the U.S. Forest Service said several groups have offered to clean up the mess left over the weekend at Slaughterhouse Island, including members of a fraternity whose logo was found on a drink cooler at the campground.
The University of Oregon chapter of the Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity issued a statement on its Facebook page Monday evening, calling the scene at Lake Shasta "absolutely unacceptable."coolbreeze01 wrote:
"Both the University of Oregon and a fraternity issued apologies over a trashed campground on Lake Shasta, where a group of college students partied over the weekend."
Who gets the job of cleaning up?- "Both the University of Oregon and a fraternity issued apologies over a trashed campground on Lake Shasta, where a group of college students partied over the weekend."
4runnerguy wrote:
Leaving behind coolers, tents, etc. I can tell you I was way too poor in college to leave something like that behind!
I'm even poorer now - I would pickup any tents or coolers that others left.- They were "paying it forward," donating their tents and items to the next group of campers. They're just messy, is all. :p lol ;)
