Thanks guys. As long as work can help me out with the down payment, just started there, it should be a go. I did find the archive site and looking at that, pretty sure its a 37CKRD, the dealer just didnt fully list it. I also was not sure on the link postings, that is why I did not post a link to it, but if you search the title of this thread, you can find it easy enough at a national dealer near me. I am very curious as to what this thing weighs. Think I saw that they have a 12" I Beam neck? I am not to worried about it being at GVW of 18.7K but getting into the 22K and above, thats when it gets fun towing with a 1 ton. Also how is it backing up? I have read where triples turn a little different. I am not going to have a hole lot of time to play with it before I head out