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- BarneySExplorer IIINASA has nothing to do with this thread and I have deleted all references and responses to it.
Barney goducks10 wrote:
You'll never high hitch with the Andersen. I'm willing to guess that way more 5th wheel owners have high hitched than there's been Andersen failures.
LMAO.... Andersen's marketing arm. It was just a matter of time! :R- agesilausExplorer III
joebedford wrote:
7% = 7 in 100
.7% = 7 in 1,000
.07% = 7 in 10,000
.007% = 7 in 10,000
.0007% = 7 in 100,000
.00007% = 7 in 1,000,000
2 units failed at .00007% means 2/7 x 1,000,000 = 285,000+ units. Hard to believe.
How true, I have never even set eyes on one of these AUH. And I live in one of the RV hotspots in the country: Florida. So I don't believe they are very common. - joebedfordNomad II7% = 7 in 100
.7% = 7 in 1,000
.07% = 7 in 10,000
.007% = 7 in 10,000
.0007% = 7 in 100,000
.00007% = 7 in 1,000,000
2 units failed at .00007% means 2/7 x 1,000,000 = 285,000+ units. Hard to believe. - goducks10ExplorerYou'll never high hitch with the Andersen. I'm willing to guess that way more 5th wheel owners have high hitched than there's been Andersen failures.
- WTP-GCExplorer
agesilaus wrote:
OK I've finally solidified the reason I have never liked the AUH. Traditional hitches, like bridges, are OVER designed. I have no doubt that the hitch shown below could take a sudden 25,000 pound force load and shake it off with no problem.
Look at it, massive steel plates. It uses triangles for strength. And the load is distributed across that big steel plate on top. Now look at this example:
This is NOT a massively over designed device. I'd say someone calculated the loads and sized these small tubes to hold just that load plus a little bit more. I don't think that if you overloaded it by 150% that it would do so well as the traditional hitch. Furthermore the load instead of being distributed across the large steel plate on the traditional hitch is concentrated on a small steel ball.
Furthermore the AUH design is in danger of small dents and such that a traditional hitch would not even notice.
If you want to trust something like that, go ahead, but I'll stick to the over designed type myself. Afterall, what is the advantage of the AUH? Weight is the only thing I can think of and my Pullrite breaks into 2, easily handleable pieces, in less than a minute. I'm certain my truck can handle the extra 100 pounds with no problem.
Now that's some solid engineering evaluation right there...
"Traditional hitches, like bridges, are OVER designed. I have no doubt that the hitch shown below could take a sudden 25,000 pound force load and shake it off with no problem...Look at it, massive steel plates."
You do realize that the "traditional hitch" can fail if only a single bolt or pin shears off? All that steel and the pretty paint don't mean much if one of the high-tension bolts was over-torqued at the factory...or if it was torqued then loosened then torqued again.
The AUH has only about 3 places that could fail. The traditional hitch has more potential failure points than I have fingers.
"It uses triangles for strength."
You say that in defense of the traditional hitch, but that's the absolute principal behind the design strength of the AUH. It too uses triangles.
I'm not ever saying that the AUH is better than any other hitch out there. I've never said that. But I just don't understand how so many people have nothing better to do than find fault with it. - laknoxNomad
time2roll wrote:
jbeliera wrote:
No actually nothing has to "give".
Well in trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together: Like one behemoth of a toy hauler; the fact the combination of truck and 5er were moving at how fast we don't know' and the possible cause of the failure being the brakes locking up on heavy 5er then applying that torque and force to a moving truck. Something has got to give.
The trailer should either pull the truck to a stop or continue to skid until the tires pop.
YES!
Lyle - WTP-GCExplorerI don't believe that the emergency brake being activated caused any of this. The pictures appear to show it being activated, but that could very well be because of everything else that happened.
- fj12ryderExplorer III
time2roll wrote:
That's kind of what I thought. If a hitch is rated for the weight, panic starts and stops should be part-and-parcel of the rating.jbeliera wrote:
No actually nothing has to "give".
Well in trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together: Like one behemoth of a toy hauler; the fact the combination of truck and 5er were moving at how fast we don't know' and the possible cause of the failure being the brakes locking up on heavy 5er then applying that torque and force to a moving truck. Something has got to give.
The trailer should either pull the truck to a stop or continue to skid until the tires pop. - cummins2014Explorer
jbeliera wrote:
Well in trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together: Like one behemoth of a toy hauler; the fact the combination of truck and 5er were moving at how fast we don't know' and the possible cause of the failure being the brakes locking up on heavy 5er then applying that torque and force to a moving truck. Something has got to give. If a company does something about the failure by taking the failure seriously and making some improvements to the strength of the parts in question and improves their design and also make it right to the owner by giving him a new one no question asked what else do you want them to do. I haven't had my Anderson (steel version) very long, but I would hate the thought of creating that scenario with any hitch design and keeping my fingers crossed that everything would be OK. Parts is not just parts as the old saying goes They do fail given the right circumstances. Lesson learned be careful and cognizant of your situation and check and re check the way you hook up your equipment. Follow good habits and you have bad ones then make the change to safer practices.
I agree, I too have not had the Andersen rail mount for that long , but have no concern about the hitch failing, could it fail under certain circumstances , sure it could.
Its real easy to see the picture ,and speculate a failure. The truck is still upright, the fifth wheel is still attached. Apparently no damage other then the hitch. No damage or injuries, sounds like it was far from a failure, from what WE know about what happened.
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