califnornia non commercial class A

CumminsDriver wrote:

1L243 wrote:
The way I read the section is that the TT can't WEIGH over 10k and the Fifth Wheel can't WEIGH over 15k..It pertains to actual weight not perceived weight based on the sticker on the side of the trailer..... Otherwise the section would read not to exceed posted sticker GVWR?

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/dl648/dl648pt2

The first line says this "•Travel trailers weighing over 10,000 lbs. GVWR, not used for hire."

It does say GVWR. It's the rating, not actual weight. The first thing the DMV Driving Test Tech did was look at my 5th wheels GVWR sticker, and confirmed what I already knew, that I needed the Non Commercial A because of the GVWR. They didn't weigh the 5th wheel, so he had no idea what the actual weight was.

Use the furnished link above.

In the search box - upper right, enter:

"Recreational Trailer Endorsement"

quote
Recreational Trailer Endorsement
A driver must have a fifth-wheel recreational trailer endorsement added to his/her Class C driver license to pull a fifth-wheel recreational trailer over 10,000 lbs., but not over 15,000 lbs. GVWR, which is not used for hire. This endorsement is not required if the driver has a commercial or noncommercial Class A driver license.

To obtain an original fifth-wheel recreational vehicle endorsement-

Adults must:
Complete an application for a driver license (DL 44).
Pass the Recreational Vehicles and Noncommercial Class A trailers law test.
Pass the basic Class C law test,unless you renewed your Class C license within the last 12 months.
Pass a vision test.
You are not required to submit a Health Questionnaire or Physician's Health Report.
You are not required to take a pre-trip, skills, or driving test to add a Recreational Trailer endorsement to your current license.

End quote.

My California Class C Drivers License reads (on the back) -
Class C-Veh w/GVWR <2600.
ENDORSEMENTS: NONE
RESTRICTIONS: 41-May tow fifth-wheel recreational trlr between 10,001/15,000 lbs GVWR.

However - although I can't find the change anywhere, a poster on Escapees indicated his Class C renewal now reads (on the back) -
"RESTRICTIONS: 41-Class A restricted to operating fifth-wheel travel trailer between 10,000 and 15,000 lbs GVWR.

He was also (now) required to submit a Health Questionnaire (every two years).
(Which is no big deal).


SKPs Thread: Go to Page 3, See Posts #45 and #46

BTW - I played all the same 'games' at the DMV as the poster in #45.
No such thing (wrong), MH test (wrong), Non-commercial Class A test (wrong) -
They finally got it right with the 25 question endorsement (Restriction 41) test.

Just another day at the CA DMV..:W


On edit: The knowledgeable CA hauler builders have been rating "bumper pulls" at 9,999 GVWR for looooong time!
BILs custom built enclosed race-car trailer is rated 9999 - and he's had it about 20 years.

With the amount of RV sales in CA, wonder why the TT mfgrs can't figure that out..:S


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