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travelnutz
May 09, 2016Explorer II
Jane,
What I'm saying is that Carriage's own numbers give the axle weight dry of 10,425. Also give the total dry weight of 13,250. 13,250 minus 10,425 = 2,825 which is the pin weight and that's what their spec give. Therefore, on the 14,000 lb axles there's only 10,425 lbs. 4 16" "E" range tires about any tire manufacturer makes has a min of 3400+ capacity each. 3400 X 4 equals 13,600 lbs. The tires on the trailer may even be "G range and then the total tire capacity would be over 14,000 lbs.
The tires if only "E" range would be the lowest total capacity and therefore, we must use them as they are the weakest component. 13,600 minus 10,425 = 3,175 lbs loading capacity. An added bedroom A/C is well under 100 lbs, Don't know which generator is installed in the 36FWS but a large 5500 watt Onan generator has a shipping weight of 279 lbs including the skid and all packing and the box. More likely the generator as installed adds no more than 250 lbs max. 350 on the high side from 3175 leaves 2,825 lbs. Remember that the 2010 and 2011 both have exactly 1,000 more lbs CCC in the brochure which makes a mistake in the 2009 brochure much more likely as the 2009 model is the same with the same components as the 2010 and 2011 and their CCC is listed at 2749 lbs average CCC. Draw your own conclusions!
Yes, close to 3,000 lbs CCC including those 2 items you'd mentioned. Carriage gives their CCC specs for an average optioned RV not a stripped down basic model RV as people and dealers do not order them that way. Very misleading giving a CCC number for units not the way they actually build with normal or average OEM options included.
Even if the 36FWS has the big 6500 watt Onan, it's only 11 lbs more than the 5500 so no big deal. The Cameo frame is not any concern as it's the same frame used on all the even larger Cameos, Carriages, and Carrilites as Carriage frames are the same size and have double stacked 2 X 6 welded box construction and were always the strongest 5th wheel frame in the industry and always made by Carriage in house. A square box tube frame has 2 6" vertical walls and 2 horizontal 2" sides in each tube and then double it by stacking to make a 12" high very strong assembly. A 12" "I" beam frame only has ONE vertical wall (web) for strength and it's the metal on edge that gives the strength and rigidity. "I" beams are much cheaper to make than a box tube and much cheaper to build a frame out of than stacking and welding 2 box tubes and why other manufacturer's and Lippert uses "I" beams. Stacked box frames are considerably stronger for the same frame height dimension. Engineering 101!
Jane, it's your money and your choice so it's you who must decide. Not me!
What I'm saying is that Carriage's own numbers give the axle weight dry of 10,425. Also give the total dry weight of 13,250. 13,250 minus 10,425 = 2,825 which is the pin weight and that's what their spec give. Therefore, on the 14,000 lb axles there's only 10,425 lbs. 4 16" "E" range tires about any tire manufacturer makes has a min of 3400+ capacity each. 3400 X 4 equals 13,600 lbs. The tires on the trailer may even be "G range and then the total tire capacity would be over 14,000 lbs.
The tires if only "E" range would be the lowest total capacity and therefore, we must use them as they are the weakest component. 13,600 minus 10,425 = 3,175 lbs loading capacity. An added bedroom A/C is well under 100 lbs, Don't know which generator is installed in the 36FWS but a large 5500 watt Onan generator has a shipping weight of 279 lbs including the skid and all packing and the box. More likely the generator as installed adds no more than 250 lbs max. 350 on the high side from 3175 leaves 2,825 lbs. Remember that the 2010 and 2011 both have exactly 1,000 more lbs CCC in the brochure which makes a mistake in the 2009 brochure much more likely as the 2009 model is the same with the same components as the 2010 and 2011 and their CCC is listed at 2749 lbs average CCC. Draw your own conclusions!
Yes, close to 3,000 lbs CCC including those 2 items you'd mentioned. Carriage gives their CCC specs for an average optioned RV not a stripped down basic model RV as people and dealers do not order them that way. Very misleading giving a CCC number for units not the way they actually build with normal or average OEM options included.
Even if the 36FWS has the big 6500 watt Onan, it's only 11 lbs more than the 5500 so no big deal. The Cameo frame is not any concern as it's the same frame used on all the even larger Cameos, Carriages, and Carrilites as Carriage frames are the same size and have double stacked 2 X 6 welded box construction and were always the strongest 5th wheel frame in the industry and always made by Carriage in house. A square box tube frame has 2 6" vertical walls and 2 horizontal 2" sides in each tube and then double it by stacking to make a 12" high very strong assembly. A 12" "I" beam frame only has ONE vertical wall (web) for strength and it's the metal on edge that gives the strength and rigidity. "I" beams are much cheaper to make than a box tube and much cheaper to build a frame out of than stacking and welding 2 box tubes and why other manufacturer's and Lippert uses "I" beams. Stacked box frames are considerably stronger for the same frame height dimension. Engineering 101!
Jane, it's your money and your choice so it's you who must decide. Not me!
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