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HaulinBass02
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Jan 05, 2015

Cyclone vs Vengeance (long)

So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year, starting next week, in Casper, WY, with 5 kids. Unfortunately they jumped off half-cocked and put some money down on a Vengeance Touring 39R12 without looking at other options out there. When they started asking me some questions and I started to look into the Vengeance, I wasn't too sold on it for a 4-seasons trailer. I suggested the Cyclone 4000 Elite because I know Heartland quality from my parent's having owned one and doing TONS of research into the Cyclone as we were going to upgrade to one.
Once I actually put my hands on a Vengeance and then the Cyclone, there were SEVERAL MAJOR quality differences in the trailers. Flooring, lack of full main A/C ducting in the Vengeance, slide out construction, poor insulation in the storage area, lack of heat in storage area/ water pipe exposure. Granted they both have similar MSRP but I don't feel the Vengeance lives up to the high MSRP compared to the Cyclone. Not to mention the dealer for the Vengeance flat out lied to them about several items on the Vengeance that through other research and hands on looking closely at it found to be lacking.
Long post short, money aside, does my hands on research stand to be true? Is the Cyclone more deserving of the nod to purchase? Is it that much better of a trailer? Especially given the optional Arctic package that the other dealer is going to add on to the Cyclone (NOT available on the Vengeance).
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    taken
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    Jan 09, 2015
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    tinner12002 wrote:
    taken wrote:
    Cyclone and Vengeance aren't on the same level. Cyclone is Heartland's top tier hauler and Vengeance is Forest River's second line. Apples to Apples would be to compare Cyclone to XLR Thunderbolt. Then you will get the same level of options and equipment.


    Would that be true even on the Vengeance Touring Edition vs the Cyclone?


    Yes, many of the options on the Vengeance Touring Edition are standards on a Cyclone. Just go to both their websites and compare standards and options. Vengeance is more in line with Heartland's Torque line.
  • tinner12002's avatar
    tinner12002
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    taken wrote:
    Cyclone and Vengeance aren't on the same level. Cyclone is Heartland's top tier hauler and Vengeance is Forest River's second line. Apples to Apples would be to compare Cyclone to XLR Thunderbolt. Then you will get the same level of options and equipment.


    Would that be true even on the Vengeance Touring Edition vs the Cyclone?
  • tmm2good's avatar
    tmm2good
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    Jan 08, 2015
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    Yea, they do not specifically say "Full time", but I think that is as close as you are going to get from any TH manufacturer, except the real high end stuff, like an Excel or something.
  • mayo30's avatar
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    Jan 08, 2015
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    2good that is exactly what I find,"extended living".Not full timing,which some rv manufactures do list.I know what full time means,but what exactly does extended living mean?It must mean something less then full time I suppose.From many years of writing and dealing with contracts and specifications and warranties maybe I am just a little too picky about wording and intent.I have an extended stay trailer,the dealer told me if I am going to full time in it he doesn't want to know that.
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    tmm2good
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    Jan 07, 2015
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    mayo30 wrote:
    Y-Guy wrote:
    HaulinBass02 wrote:
    So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

    Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


    Would you be so kind as to show me where their advertised warranty is for full time.


    Here is the info from GD website
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    mayo30
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    Jan 06, 2015
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    Y-Guy wrote:
    HaulinBass02 wrote:
    So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

    Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


    Would you be so kind as to show me where their advertised warranty is for full time.
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    N-Trouble
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    Y-Guy wrote:
    HaulinBass02 wrote:
    So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

    Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


    How would they know if it's being used for full time use? Unless the owner flat out told them would be pretty hard for the manufacturer to prove.
  • Doughboy12's avatar
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    HaulinBass02 wrote:
    That may be true but their intent is to have a hauler to travel in when they are done there. This, like everything else in the gas and oil industry is temporary so they don't want to be tied down to anything at this point.


    Good plan...that whole area is going to go into shut down with these prices.
  • HaulinBass02's avatar
    HaulinBass02
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    That may be true but their intent is to have a hauler to travel in when they are done there. This, like everything else in the gas and oil industry is temporary so they don't want to be tied down to anything at this point.
  • Strabo's avatar
    Strabo
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    A single wide mobil home sounds better than any hauler, regardless of insulation package. Probably cheaper too.

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tinner12002 wrote:
taken wrote:
Cyclone and Vengeance aren't on the same level. Cyclone is Heartland's top tier hauler and Vengeance is Forest River's second line. Apples to Apples would be to compare Cyclone to XLR Thunderbolt. Then you will get the same level of options and equipment.


Would that be true even on the Vengeance Touring Edition vs the Cyclone?


Yes, many of the options on the Vengeance Touring Edition are standards on a Cyclone. Just go to both their websites and compare standards and options. Vengeance is more in line with Heartland's Torque line.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-01-09T12:14:50.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-01-09T12:14:50.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":530},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1598438/message:1598456","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"650","rawBody":"
tinner12002 wrote:
taken wrote:
Cyclone and Vengeance aren't on the same level. Cyclone is Heartland's top tier hauler and Vengeance is Forest River's second line. Apples to Apples would be to compare Cyclone to XLR Thunderbolt. Then you will get the same level of options and equipment.


Would that be true even on the Vengeance Touring Edition vs the Cyclone?


Yes, many of the options on the Vengeance Touring Edition are standards on a Cyclone. Just go to both their websites and compare standards and options. Vengeance is more in line with Heartland's Torque line.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1598456_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:2767":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2767","uid":2767,"login":"tinner12002","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-10-14T18:23:04.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2767"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598455":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1598455","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1598455":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2767"},"id":"message:1598455","revisionNum":1,"uid":1598455,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1598438"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1598438"},"subject":"Re: Cyclone vs Vengeance (long)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598455"},"body":"
taken wrote:
Cyclone and Vengeance aren't on the same level. Cyclone is Heartland's top tier hauler and Vengeance is Forest River's second line. Apples to Apples would be to compare Cyclone to XLR Thunderbolt. Then you will get the same level of options and equipment.


Would that be true even on the Vengeance Touring Edition vs the Cyclone?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-01-09T12:09:54.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-01-09T12:09:54.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":536},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1598438/message:1598455","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"382","rawBody":"
taken wrote:
Cyclone and Vengeance aren't on the same level. Cyclone is Heartland's top tier hauler and Vengeance is Forest River's second line. Apples to Apples would be to compare Cyclone to XLR Thunderbolt. Then you will get the same level of options and equipment.


Would that be true even on the Vengeance Touring Edition vs the 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they do not specifically say \"Full time\", but I think that is as close as you are going to get from any TH manufacturer, except the real high end stuff, like an Excel or 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mayo30 wrote:
Y-Guy wrote:
HaulinBass02 wrote:
So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


Would you be so kind as to show me where their advertised warranty is for full time.


Here is the info from GD website","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-01-07T08:01:12.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-01-07T08:01:12.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":529},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1598438/message:1598452","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"755","rawBody":"
mayo30 wrote:
Y-Guy wrote:
HaulinBass02 wrote:
So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


Would you be so kind as to show me where their advertised warranty is for full time.


Here is the info from GD website","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1598452_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598451":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1598451","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1598451":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:142741"},"id":"message:1598451","revisionNum":1,"uid":1598451,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1598438"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1598438"},"subject":"Re: Cyclone vs Vengeance (long)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598451"},"body":"
Y-Guy wrote:
HaulinBass02 wrote:
So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


Would you be so kind as to show me where their advertised warranty is for full time.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-01-06T09:46:10.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-01-06T09:46:10.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":530},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1598438/message:1598451","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"552","rawBody":"
Y-Guy wrote:
HaulinBass02 wrote:
So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


Would you be so kind as to show me where their advertised warranty is for full time.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1598451_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:172062":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:172062","uid":172062,"login":"N-Trouble","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-12-02T12:57:35.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:172062"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598450":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1598450","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1598450":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:172062"},"id":"message:1598450","revisionNum":1,"uid":1598450,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1598438"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1598438"},"subject":"Re: Cyclone vs Vengeance (long)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598450"},"body":"
Y-Guy wrote:
HaulinBass02 wrote:
So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


How would they know if it's being used for full time use? Unless the owner flat out told them would be pretty hard for the manufacturer to prove.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-01-06T09:27:00.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-01-06T09:27:00.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":531},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1598438/message:1598450","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"614","rawBody":"
Y-Guy wrote:
HaulinBass02 wrote:
So my friends are about to buy a TH and fulltime for at least a year

Make sure they read the warranty. Most all RVs, with a few exceptions, do not warranty full time use. One of the few Toy Haulers that is standing behind is the Grand Design Momentum. Just make sure they understand the warranty, and if they go with an extended warranty verify it as well.


How would they know if it's being used for full time use? Unless the owner flat out told them would be pretty hard for the manufacturer to prove.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1598450_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:161297":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:161297","uid":161297,"login":"Doughboy12","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-10-09T10:37:46.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:161297"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598449":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1598449","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1598449":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:161297"},"id":"message:1598449","revisionNum":1,"uid":1598449,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1598438"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1598438"},"subject":"Re: Cyclone vs Vengeance (long)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598449"},"body":"
HaulinBass02 wrote:
That may be true but their intent is to have a hauler to travel in when they are done there. This, like everything else in the gas and oil industry is temporary so they don't want to be tied down to anything at this point.


Good plan...that whole area is going to go into shut down with these prices.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2015-01-06T08:35:34.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2015-01-06T08:35:34.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":532},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:1598438/message:1598449","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"360","rawBody":"
HaulinBass02 wrote:
That may be true but their intent is to have a hauler to travel in when they are done there. This, like everything else in the gas and oil industry is temporary so they don't want to be tied down to anything at this point.


Good plan...that whole area is going to go into shut down with these prices.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1598449_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598448":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1598448","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1598448":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:125453"},"id":"message:1598448","revisionNum":1,"uid":1598448,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1598438"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1598438"},"subject":"Re: Cyclone vs Vengeance (long)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1598448"},"body":"That may be true but their intent is to have a hauler to travel in when they are done there. 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