nayther, thanks for recommending dove springs, we did exactly how you said. We went down to the Bowl area where all the hill climbs are at. We were actually at the bottom of LA 1 trail. We took LA 1 and LA 2 to Jawbone store. Glad we took your advice. Wife and Kids were happy and liked it a lot. Everyone is so spread out it doesn't feel crowded. The weather wasn't bad, slept with all the windows open in the TH and didn't use the AC all weekend. Taught my 2 daughters how to drive the RZR and they did really good. We had friends in Jawbone (wife and I wanted to get away from everybody this trip) so we stopped by they're camp site and it was crowded like you said plus jawbone seems small and really Rocky. Thanks Again definitely one of out Favorites.