I going to take the jeep to the scales next week with the hard top off and 1/4 tank of fuel to see what the real weight is. Doing a little research on the work and play, it seems that I could find more complaints on them than good. I know that all company's have their problems, we're still looking at them esp the Catalyst, we're in no rush. I was also wondering what modes I could do to TH like the previous post said, as soon as I know what the real weight is on the jeep will help. Thanks again for all the input, please feel free to give your input good or bad, like I said we're taking our time!