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RobertRyan
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Feb 17, 2016

Sad News : 5 vers are really struggling in Australia

I saw this article. Jayco imported some US built folding trailers, that were supposed to be a cheap alternative to what they built, but they looked awful and stayed unsold
Jayco drops fifth wheelers

Less than three years since launching them Jayco has ceased production of its over-sized, fifth wheel caravan models following disappointing local demand.

Australia has been slow to embrace the USA’s love affair with large RVs and fifth wheel behemoths due in part to the width and condition of our secondary road network and the lack of space in most of our caravan parks – many of which were mapped out in the 16ft ‘Bondwood’ caravan days of the 1980s.

The strength of our 4WD market has been another factor. While dual-cab utes are buyers’ favourites, many share double work/play duties that could be compromised by the fitting of a more expensive fifth wheel load-bed hitch, even though these are quite easily removable.

Competition from top-spec caravans, spearheaded by Jayco’s own Silverline premium models, is understood to be another factor in the below sustainable demand for locally-built fifth wheelers.

While well-priced against similarly-sized imports in the $85,000-plus price range, Jayco’s fifth wheelers were still priced around $10,000-$15,000 more than similarly specced Jayco Silverline caravans.

It is understood from the Jayco dealers authorised to sell them that the fifth wheelers were particularly liked by former semi-trailer drivers because of their maneuverability and towing stability.

However it's understood that the numbers – not to mention the cost of having a separate production line at Jayco’s Dandenong HQ – just didn’t stack up.

On the Jayco fifth wheeler’s introduction in mid-2013, the plan was to produce up to 250 units a year in a total fifth wheeler Australian market at the time much less than that. However in a total local RV market exceeding 20,000 units, that was just a drop in the bucket for Jayco.

The Jayco move leaves few local manufacturers apart from the likes of Sunliner and Summer Life RV, along with a decreasing number of American imports, battling it out for a share of the diminishing fifth wheel caravan market down under.

According to Caravan Industry Association of Australia figures, just eight fifth wheelers were built in Australia in the first nine months of 2015, although it’s unclear whether that included Jayco production.

Jayco’s decision to drop the fifth wheeler isn’t the first time that Australia’s largest RV manufacturer (with more than 44 per cent of the total market), has been prepared to make bold decisions.

In October last year, founder Gerry Ryan imported a batch of cut-price $10,999 US-built J8 camper trailers to test market reaction, but when this was poor, the campers were sold off via Jayco dealers as used stock and the project was scrapped.

On the upside, Jayco is kicking goals with its locally-developed JTECH independent trailing arm coil spring suspension that is now being fitted to the majority of Jayco caravans, Expandas and pop-tops.

Initially introduced on Silverline and Outback spec models two years ago, it is now available since mid last year as an option on all Jayco touring models, with the expectation that it will ultimately become factory spec.



Jayco Silverline Outback, Dirt Road Caravan

Outback Interior

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  • RobertRyan wrote:

    They do not take them anywhere off road like here. A National forest is not rugged terrain , they are just normal dirt roads. Large 5vers have disintegrated , suspensions collapsing. So people go to Off Road Caravans instead. Australia is not the US and Off Road RVing makes up a large part of activities . Many Off Road areas bigger than the whole State of Idaho. It is hard to get an idea if your are from the US or Europe


    I know you're trying to impress me, but the place I grew up going deer hunting every fall had a rougher road than that for the last mile or so into camp, and I'm not exaggerating in the least. You don't seem to have a very good understanding of what the terrain in the American west is like.

    Did you know that Australia is the flattest continent on earth? I realize it has a lot of dirt roads on it, but being flat makes it a lot easier to drag a trailer around because it's generally going to be easier to find places to turn around - or get around vehicles you encounter coming from the other direction.

    Edit for a funny tidbit - around here we call the mountains right beside Boise the foothills. They're higher than the tallest mountain in Australia. :B
  • gmw photos wrote:
    RobertRyan wrote:
    ....snip.....

    ...... So people go to Off Road Caravans instead. Australia is not the US and Off Road RVing makes up a large part of activities . Many Off Road areas bigger than the whole State of Idaho. It is hard to get an idea if your are from the US or Europe


    Which is a large part of why I have said for a long time, that "we have what we need" here in the USA market, ( and you, Robt, have what you need ) regarding trailers. Folks often come on these boards and lament the fact that we do not have long travel softly sprung independent suspension on our trailers. There is a reason for that. We don't need it ( mostly ). Most of our towing is done on relatively smooth paved roads at higher speeds. Long travel soft suspension is "not" what you want for our kind of towing.
    You have to applaud Jayco Aus for giving fifth wheels a try. You can do market research, and focus groups and all the rest, but there ain't nothing like throwing a big handful of product into the real market to find out whether it will fly or not.

    Maybe superficial similarities and many overlapping needs, in the US and Australia as regards RV's but their are some big differences in other aspects of the RV's they want.
    Prior to Jayco being the biggest single manufacture here( AVAN I think is the second biggest, mass producer) Viscount Caravans had a similar market share. They changed many aspects of their Caravans, that were not popular that led to their demise
    Viscount Caravans triple axle from the early 1970's , they had the same market share as Jayco now. Unlike Jayco, they did not survive their mistakes.
    Caravans are towed here at normal highway speeds of roughly 70mph or 110kmh, the independent, and or airbag suspensions cope very well, they are not inverted springs

    Vast array of different suspension and frame systems to handle Off Road and highway cruising

  • RobertRyan wrote:
    ....snip.....

    ...... So people go to Off Road Caravans instead. Australia is not the US and Off Road RVing makes up a large part of activities . Many Off Road areas bigger than the whole State of Idaho. It is hard to get an idea if your are from the US or Europe


    Which is a large part of why I have said for a long time, that "we have what we need" here in the USA market, ( and you, Robt, have what you need ) regarding trailers. Folks often come on these boards and lament the fact that we do not have long travel softly sprung independent suspension on our trailers. There is a reason for that. We don't need it ( mostly ). Most of our towing is done on relatively smooth paved roads at higher speeds. Long travel soft suspension is "not" what you want for our kind of towing.
    You have to applaud Jayco Aus for giving fifth wheels a try. You can do market research, and focus groups and all the rest, but there ain't nothing like throwing a big handful of product into the real market to find out whether it will fly or not.
  • IdaD wrote:
    RobertRyan wrote:
    IdaD wrote:
    From just a little bit of reading I've done they were pretty dinky fifth wheels, but there were still very few suitable tow vehicles to pull them. It's no wonder they fell flat.

    Absolutely nothing to do with it. Tow vehicles and lengths were fine, Diesel Utes and that IVECO are perfect for towing the Jayco 5vers without a problem Everything else had a problem :( Large 5vers would disintegrate where Australians love to tow their Caravans


    I'd be willing to bet most Australians camp in parks just like most Americans. And FWIW, since I was a kid I've camped in fifth wheels and travel trailers in the national forests of the northwestern US, which involves plenty of travel over rugged terrain. I've yet to see one of them disintegrate.

    If you're wanting to turn this into a rugged terrain bragging party, please bear in mind that I live in Idaho...

    They do not take them anywhere off road like here. A National forest is not rugged terrain , they are just normal dirt roads. Large 5vers have disintegrated , suspensions collapsing. So people go to Off Road Caravans instead. Australia is not the US and Off Road RVing makes up a large part of activities . Many Off Road areas bigger than the whole State of Idaho. It is hard to get an idea if your are from the US or Europe
  • RobertRyan wrote:
    IdaD wrote:
    From just a little bit of reading I've done they were pretty dinky fifth wheels, but there were still very few suitable tow vehicles to pull them. It's no wonder they fell flat.

    Absolutely nothing to do with it. Tow vehicles and lengths were fine, Diesel Utes and that IVECO are perfect for towing the Jayco 5vers without a problem Everything else had a problem :( Large 5vers would disintegrate where Australians love to tow their Caravans


    I'd be willing to bet most Australians camp in parks just like most Americans. And FWIW, since I was a kid I've camped in fifth wheels and travel trailers in the national forests of the northwestern US, which involves plenty of travel over rugged terrain. I've yet to see one of them disintegrate.

    If you're wanting to turn this into a rugged terrain bragging party, please bear in mind that I live in Idaho...
  • IdaD wrote:
    From just a little bit of reading I've done they were pretty dinky fifth wheels, but there were still very few suitable tow vehicles to pull them. It's no wonder they fell flat.

    Absolutely nothing to do with it. Tow vehicles and lengths were fine, Diesel Utes and that IVECO are perfect for towing the Jayco 5vers without a problem Everything else had a problem :( Large 5vers would disintegrate where Australians love to tow their Caravans
  • From just a little bit of reading I've done they were pretty dinky fifth wheels, but there were still very few suitable tow vehicles to pull them. It's no wonder they fell flat.
  • 3oaks wrote:
    Sad News : 5 vers are really struggling in Australia
    I don't think it is as much "Sad News" as it was a poor business decision on Jayco's part to start that particular production line without researching the market thorough enough.

    I talked to a Motorhome manufacturer production manager, who was considering making Caravans as well. He said Jayco's decision to go into 5th Wheelers was a bad idea,as they were" the flavour of the month" several years ago, not any more, for a lot more reasons than stated in the article above. Gerry Ryan has since retired from the day to day running of his Caravan business but is is now looking after his animatronics and wine business.
    As it is not related to the US Jayco, he could not just import US 5vers
  • Sad News : 5 vers are really struggling in Australia
    I don't think it is as much "Sad News" as it was a poor business decision on Jayco's part to start that particular production line without researching the market thorough enough.