Sailun Tire Failure

twodownzero wrote:
While I agree that a tpms is a good idea, tires with solid quality control could have probably prevented this. Get the garbage Chinese tires off your rig and keep the new tires perfectly inflated and you will not have another failure short of road hazard. I also concur with the above posters that trailers should generally have their tires aired up to their max unless to solve funny wear or ride quality issues. The side loads on trailer tires are unique and hard tires are safer and will run cooler. Air and good construction will prevent blow outs.

Helloooooo, did you notice the posts referring to blowouts and such occurring with the "American Made" Goodyear tires? Whatever do you suppose happened to them. Aliens? Paranormal activity? Sudden increase in gravitation in a confined area? Or that tried-and-true "sh*t happens"?

Murphy isn't Chinese or American but he will wreak havoc when he can. Also you're not doing yourself any favors by failing to ground your statements in reality.

Me Again wrote:

laknox wrote:

Ford and Firestone certainly didn't pay attention to load ratings back in the 80s, when they killed and maimed a bunch of people by putting inadequate tires and inflations on Expeditions, and such. Really? A P tire on a 4-5k lb vehicle, then only inflate to 28 psi? Drop a load of kids and some gear into one and, guess what? You get blowouts at freeway speeds, rollovers, injuries and death. Morons...

Lyle

I believe it was Explorers! Chris

Whatever. It was Fords... :B

FWIW, my dad had a full size van that drove like absolute cr@p and was, IMO, downright scary. Now, these things were built on the F150 chassis and had the old Twin I-Beam front suspension. So, what did the idiots at Ford do? Yep, put P tires on a truck chassis. It was downright scary to drive down the road and if you happened to hit a parallel pavement seam, could put you into the other lane. Dad went through about 4 sets of tires in 2 years trying to fix the problem UNTIL, an "old tire guy" said, "well, you've got passenger car tires on a truck". DOH! Put a set of LTs on and, instantly, almost no more sway. Yes, "almost", as that front suspension was sketchy by design, but it was at least drivable.

Lyle

twodownzero wrote:
While I agree that a tpms is a good idea, tires with solid quality control could have probably prevented this. Get the garbage Chinese tires off your rig and keep the new tires perfectly inflated and you will not have another failure short of road hazard. I also concur with the above posters that trailers should generally have their tires aired up to their max unless to solve funny wear or ride quality issues. The side loads on trailer tires are unique and hard tires are safer and will run cooler. Air and good construction will prevent blow outs.

LOL, did you read the post just before yours about the G614 failure??

The Sailun tires are far from the Chinese junk you are talking about. There are many members on here including myself that are running them with no issues whatsoever. I will continue to run them until they age out and unless something drastic happens in the meantime they will be replaced with Sailuns.

While I agree that a tpms is a good idea, tires with solid quality control could have probably prevented this. Get the garbage Chinese tires off your rig and keep the new tires perfectly inflated and you will not have another failure short of road hazard. I also concur with the above posters that trailers should generally have their tires aired up to their max unless to solve funny wear or ride quality issues. The side loads on trailer tires are unique and hard tires are safer and will run cooler. Air and good construction will prevent blow outs.

cummins2014 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I wonder if this isn't a major CYA from Goodyear after those bad years with some of their tires."

Give GY Tech a call and tell them you are going from load range "E" that is at it's carrying capacity. Then tell them you are going to a "G" tire. Then ask them what tire pressure should you run.

They will tell you to use the chart based on the heaviest tire on each axle and add 5psi to the chart pressure.

I did this in 2010 when going from GY "E" to GY "G" tires. I ran the "G" tires at 85psi for thousands of miles with perfect tread wear. optimal braking and ride.

I have NEVER had a flat or blow out using GY US Made "E", "G" or "H" tire. I did loose some of the center section of my GY "H" tire, they replaced it.

On every tire I based psi on LOAD.

For whatever reasons, those G614's are still blowing out, although I ran a set on the present fifth wheel for 6 years.

Reason I said anything about the G614's , and anyone can go look on the thread I started on the Montana owners forum. Guy came on that thread with pictures of his G614 blowout, unlike mine which was not a blowout . No doubt with his, there was a patrolman following behind , and he said it sounded like it scared the patrolman more then it did him . If in doubt go take a look at his tire, not too bad ,no damage to trailer, but definitely a blowout.

This is my story of my GY G614. Was running a TST TPMS that alerted me the instant of the BOOM. I was being followed by a State Trooper that saw nothing that I ran over, although the blowout scared both he and I, nothing was found in the roadway. Some have said it looked like the tire had been curbed. to which I say I could see that if it were the door/curb side of the rig, not the driver's side front. However, tires are tires and they all will fail eventually. How they fail is up to us as consumers to mitigate as we can get the best tire for the money, with the best load carrying capacity with safety margin, keep them at max pressure, inspect them often and run a TPMS system when we are traveling. Oh, and missing all the holes and debris in the road we can.

I agree on the subject of the G114 17.5 tires. Very rare to hear of an issue. I'm sure the age-out before they wear out. Mine only have about 15k miles on them in 5 years. I keep them at 115psi and covered when parked. They still look new. They are expensive but I guess the Goodyear warranty and customer service could be worth it.

At this point any recommendations on TPMS system ?

It's rare to hear about a GY "G" tire blow out since mid 07 date code. Many people think it's the tires fault but after examination most of the time it's road hazard.

The post 07 GY "G" tires have an excellent record as has the new ENDURANCE tire that has been on the market for two years.

Only issue with the GY "H" is they had center tread separation/loss on some with 15 date code.

The one I had tread loss I had checked the temp 10 minutes before. So no notice based on heat. The tire went another 50 miles to camp. Went to local GY next aM and they replaced it. Back on the road with a couple hours time loss.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I wonder if this isn't a major CYA from Goodyear after those bad years with some of their tires."

Give GY Tech a call and tell them you are going from load range "E" that is at it's carrying capacity. Then tell them you are going to a "G" tire. Then ask them what tire pressure should you run.

They will tell you to use the chart based on the heaviest tire on each axle and add 5psi to the chart pressure.

I did this in 2010 when going from GY "E" to GY "G" tires. I ran the "G" tires at 85psi for thousands of miles with perfect tread wear. optimal braking and ride.

I have NEVER had a flat or blow out using GY US Made "E", "G" or "H" tire. I did loose some of the center section of my GY "H" tire, they replaced it.

On every tire I based psi on LOAD.

For whatever reasons, those G614's are still blowing out, although I ran a set on the present fifth wheel for 6 years.

Reason I said anything about the G614's , and anyone can go look on the thread I started on the Montana owners forum. Guy came on that thread with pictures of his G614 blowout, unlike mine which was not a blowout . No doubt with his, there was a patrolman following behind , and he said it sounded like it scared the patrolman more then it did him . If in doubt go take a look at his tire, not too bad ,no damage to trailer, but definitely a blowout.

ependydad wrote:


This. In my opinion, this sounds very much like a situation could have been avoided had a TPMS been used. It likely would have alerted to a low pressure situation long before the tire opened up.

They don't protect from every situation, but I've seen enough saves that it's well worth the peace of mine they provide:

http://learntorv.com/how-and-why-to-monitor-tire-pressure/

http://learntorv.com/how-to-use-your-tpms/

I couldn't agree more, not that I scoffed at the TPMS, but having no issues with tires in my 71 years, I pretty much thought I had the bases covered . Checking air pressures frequently, checking torque etc. Well that is all changed ,it only takes once for me.

Having a 3 month Alaska trip planned for the summer of 2020, and much before that I will have a TPMS system on my fifth wheel , no doubt. I believe at what went on with this tire failure, a good chance a TPMS would of helped .