Saliun S637

Cummins12V98 wrote:


I personally like to hear about different products and WHY someone likes them.

Go back and read your many posts from earlier in this thread.

Tireman9 wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
Look like great tires to me, especially seeing as how they've met more than several Quality and Management control processes( ISO9001, ISO14001 and ISO/TS16949)....Unlike a lot of China made tires, these people seem to want to build a quality product. My OWN company has met all the above criteria as a world wide Tier One Supplier and it's not easy....All one has to do is the research...MOST Chinese made tires DON'T have the credentials these tires do...IF reports stay good, when time to replace my G614's...I will be looking hard at the Saliun S637...again, if you look at the company's QUALITY EARNED credentials, you'll understand why nowhere NEAR the negatives as other "may pop's" manufactured in China...again....do the research....as of now this tire would be the only one I'd look at made in China at this time to replace my OEM tires...

NC
Where did you find the ref to ISO standards for Sailun?
If in fact they have meet these requirements they are clearly head and shoulders above all but the "Majors" (MI, GY, BS, Cooper, Toyo, Hankook, General)
If you want to supply "Detroit" big 3 you must be TS16949 certified. Loose the certification and you can loose your business.
To those that don't know what these standards mean ask your RV manufacturer if they or any of their suppliers are ISO/TS16949 or were QS9000 certified? I would be surprised if they even knew what "ISO" stands for.

I've been in Manufacturing since 75', and for several years in the late 60's...and believe you are right....Doubt there would be many, if any RV manufacturers that know about the ISO/TS16969 or QS9001 certifications for Quality and management in Manufacturing. Wonder how many could pass some of the Mangerial, Training and Quality process certifications? Good point....

ISO ( International Standards Organization)...
"ISO International Standards ensure that products and services are safe, reliable and of good quality. For business, they are strategic tools that reduce costs by minimizing waste and errors and increasing productivity. They help companies to access new markets, level the playing field for developing countries and facilitate free and fair global trade."


The above was just a very broad explanation of ISO certifications. For each that Sailun has stated they have, the number can be looked up to see what exactly they did to receive the certification...and it is done yearly....you MUST pass each year, don't know about China, but if my company were to fail to attain these certifications, our business with Volvo, Fiat, BMW, Chrysler, Ford, GM, VW and Mercedes Benz, to name a few, would be in jeopardy to say the least....it would be VERY BAD for this manufacturing plant... (oh, and we're also "Q1" with Ford..figure Tireman9 may know what it takes to receive that certification from Ford...it ain't easy:))

Also ISO14001 deals with Environmental facets of manufacturing as well as safety issues. Got to admit..first time I've EVER been impressed with a tire, "Made in China"......and it's because I personally know about the certifications and what it takes to earn them.

On Edit: The TS in ISO/TS stands for Technical Specifications...FYI

Tireman9, didn't see your post, but appears FE gave you the information you asked about...I saw it on the Sailun Tire site also. I was impressed with the Quality certifications that they had passed. My company has to meet the same certifications, which we do, to remain a Tier 1 Automotive Suppliers status, and I KNOW it takes a lot of work and very good record keeping (ie, training records being just one facet of the process), to attain these certifications. Thus the reason I was a little more impressed with these "made in China" tires than any others that I'm familliar with. Appears the Sailun tires do have very good quality processes in place and meet them, or the wouldn't get these certifications....

Me Again wrote:

Wiley75 wrote:


You opinion that GY is the best "hands down" is just an opinion.

I never said GY tires were the best, I said that how they handle tire failures was the best, hands down!!!

Time to close was based on the name calling, not the tires.

You seem challenge in read and understand?

Chris

It is amazing at times when you give your OPINION words get very twisted!

I personally like to hear about different products and WHY someone likes them.

Wiley75 wrote:


You opinion that GY is the best "hands down" is just an opinion.

I never said GY tires were the best, I said that how they handle tire failures was the best, hands down!!!

Time to close was based on the name calling, not the tires.

You seem challenge in reading and understanding?

Chris

See more of the Sailun in "independent" fleet service due to the cost factor.


In fleet service, we always ran tests on tires until we found a model that gave good life in the application. Sometimes it was a "top" name brand some times not.

FastEagle wrote:

Tireman9 wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:
Look like great tires to me, especially seeing as how they've met more than several Quality and Management control processes( ISO9001, ISO14001 and ISO/TS16949)....Unlike a lot of China made tires, these people seem to want to build a quality product. My OWN company has met all the above criteria as a world wide Tier One Supplier and it's not easy....All one has to do is the research...MOST Chinese made tires DON'T have the credentials these tires do...IF reports stay good, when time to replace my G614's...I will be looking hard at the Saliun S637...again, if you look at the company's QUALITY EARNED credentials, you'll understand why nowhere NEAR the negatives as other "may pop's" manufactured in China...again....do the research....as of now this tire would be the only one I'd look at made in China at this time to replace my OEM tires...

NC
Where did you find the ref to ISO standards for Sailun?
If in fact they have meet these requirements they are clearly head and shoulders above all but the "Majors" (MI, GY, BS, Cooper, Toyo, Hankook, General)
If you want to supply "Detroit" big 3 you must be TS16949 certified. Loose the certification and you can loose your business.
To those that don't know what these standards mean ask your RV manufacturer if they or any of their suppliers are ISO/TS16949 or were QS9000 certified? I would be surprised if they even knew what "ISO" stands for.

ISO standards are easily found referenced by any tire manufacturer that sells tires to the auto industry.

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Sailun certification

FE

Nice to see these tires meeting these specifications. I will admit I don't know much about what is involved in meeting them, but they seem important. ;) Anyway I guess it is going to be a little harder to call these "China bombs" and mean it. FWIW I see a lot of Sailun in 17.5" and 19.5" on the trailers around here. Way more than the GY but that is definitely a non scientific observation.

Rob_Fla wrote:
Most tire issues still come down to weight.
If you are loading any tire at its weight limit, it will run hotter, wear faster and be more prone to failure.
We all know that many of the RV manufacturers put Axles and Tires that are marginal at best and look good in the brochures for dry weight, then when we add options like 2nd A/C, Larger Refig, Generator, Dual Pane Windows and such the actual weight goes up the carrying capacity goes down and the RV gets close to the Gross Weight Rating of the axles and tires.
When running a trailer or 5er with a loaded weight of less than 12,000 lb. axle weight with a "G" Rated tire, they should last forever if the trailer is balanced and there is not more than 3,000 lbs on each tire. When running axle weight above 12,000 or more than 3,000 lbs per tire, even the "G" rated tire is getting a workout, this is the reason many have moved up to a 17.5" tire.
If you look at the brochures and then go on the lot and look at the yellow label the manufactures are required to put on RVs today that show actual "As Built" weight, many of them do not have much carrying capacity left before hitting max weights.
If more RVers had their trailers weighted with all their stuff as they travel, they would be surprised.
Like the dealer telling the 1/2 Ton Truck owner, "You can Pull Anything in the Lot"
If you can pack it in the trailer and still get the door closed, it must be Ok !!!!
We actually have 7,000 lb. axles but the manufacturer de-rated the axle weight rating to 6,800 lbs. since they put "E" Rated 3,400 lb. tires on the axle.

They all push the limits of the tires they install at the factory. The GY G's that came on my Mobile Suites were without trouble and the spare never hit the ground. I went to the GY 17.5" H and Alcoas last Summer for extra insurance. We travel in hot weather and don't need trouble out in the Desert.

up2nogood wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
You've never had a blowout with damage, but you'll swear that GY will cover it if you do. As long as it isn't road hazard, and you can prove to them that it wasn't road hazard. Riiiiight, and I'll respect you in the morning. :)

I think I'll try the Sailun and see how it goes.

I don't have to prove anything. Yes I do trust they will cover the tire and damages if it is non road hazard. Don't believe me listen to NC and the MANY others on here that have been taken care of by GY.

That is an unbelievable post. Others said it on the Internet-I am sure it will work for me too!

I can't believe the rhetoric on this forum when it comes to tires. Anything will be said when you mount a Chinese Companies tire! ANYTHING!!

If you have read what I have said my Dad has been taken care of by GY for damages.

You can call him a liar also if you want.

I don't believe anyone called anyone a liar, but what good is a tire that fails, as I said there is little consolation to see your trailer all tore up sitting on the side of the road, to me the last thing I would be thinking is I hope the tire company is going to fix my trailer, that may come later ,but at the moment I am dead in the water until I get a tire or tires changed, and get myself back on the road. I would much rather have a tire that I can trust, and GY really has not proven that, been plenty of failures .

I agree they DID have failures. Prior to 07 they did have problems but they did take care of damages and replaced many tires. Since the failure rate is very minimal. I liked the fact they made things better and back up their product.

Me Again wrote:
Here is what I have learned as a snowbirder and having talked with many people that have had tire failures. Goodyear is the best hands down. They would like you to claim it on your insurance and they will pay the deducible! If however you do it correctly with them, they will pay for everything, and it some causes give you 4 new tires, not just the one that failed.

You must have the failed tire and get a Goodyear dealer to ship the tire in to them. No tire no deal.

This spring a friend lost a Commercial TA and BFG/Michelin fixed his trailer and provided one new tire.

Few if any of the 2nd tier tire provides will pay for trailer damage, period!!!! It is excluded in just about all tire warranty statements ( including Goodyear's) as consequential damages.

So if you want to save a 100 dollars per tire on these Saliun tires that seem to be getting good review "so far", then great! Just understand that if one fails you will most likely not get the "Goodyear treatment"!

I could run much cheaper tires on my trailer and most likely never have a problem over the short haul. However we tend to keep things many years and buying the best has paid off in the long run for us. Your experience may vary!

Time to close this one!!!!!

Chris

Thank you!

All good points!