Snowbird tire shredding today

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powderman426 wrote:

The CO alarm had nothing to do with this thread, but I felt the need to mention it as most RV's come with a cheap unit while having a decent one with a readout on it cost very little and may save your life.

Now as for the need for a TPMS vs good tires, I said and will reiterate it is best to get the best tires you can. But having the best tires does nothing for you when you pickup a piece of road debris like I did. So the bottom line is you don't have to take my advise but trust me when I say that if you travel long enough it will happen to you and then you can come back and say " Gee I should have listened to the old man."

:) Ya I know, TPMS, surge suppressors, bed savers, they are usually a reactive purchase after the incident has already happened.

Agree on the CO detectors. (I actually have three that communicate wireless to each other and annunciate the PPM they detected). Also agree with you on the TPMS once you have good tires, but the TPMS is a bit pricey for a good one.

bucky wrote:
I never see anybody checking tire pressures at camp grounds. My guess is that a lot of us don't check them at home either.

I check them before we pull out and I check them at the CG and any other appropriate time even though I have a TPMS installed.

Do I check my TV or car tires this often? No,but with all the bad experiences and stories I have heard about these RV tires since we brought our FW, I'm nervous about them.

Atom Ant wrote:

powderman426 wrote:

Nice Try, but no cigar.

That information is about passenger cars and light trucks equiped with a factory system and not the TPMS that we use on RV's. In reading the information I see that about 2/3 of all units only report with a warning light after a tire has lost more than 25% of proper pressure, does not indicate which tire has a problem, or give any indication of the tire overheating while a TPMS that we use gives a warning at 15% underinflation, which tire, and tire temperature. I fully argree on buying the best tires for your situation and that is why I bought Maxxis tires and moved up a load range at the same time. Will a TPMS save you every time?? I can't answer that but probably not. It can and has notified me of a problem after I picked up a 3/8" bolt in a tire and the only damage I had was to the tire unlike the time before that when a tire blew and took out all of my propane lines as well as a portion of the siding near the bottom. I fixed that damage myself, but I am sure if I were to take it into a repair facility it would have been well over $1000 so I am money ahead already. So the bottom line is I am a firm believer in a TPMS and also in favor of a quality CO detector as either of them may save you more than money. They may save your life.

Where did carbon monoxide (CO) come into this? If you were trying to say combustible gas detector - wrong detector.

TPMS is detection - just like any other detection. It is only effective if you have done everything to eliminate the hazard first. Smoke detectors give early warning of fire, but the way to prevent fire is minimize the fire hazard. TPMS is great tire trouble detector, but to first minimize tire trouble, get a quality tire.

The CO alarm had nothing to do with this thread, but I felt the need to mention it as most RV's come with a cheap unit while having a decent one with a readout on it cost very little and may save your life.

Now as for the need for a TPMS vs good tires, I said and will reiterate it is best to get the best tires you can. But having the best tires does nothing for you when you pickup a piece of road debris like I did. So the bottom line is you don't have to take my advise but trust me when I say that if you travel long enough it will happen to you and then you can come back and say " Gee I should have listened to the old man."

powderman426 wrote:

Nice Try, but no cigar.

That information is about passenger cars and light trucks equiped with a factory system and not the TPMS that we use on RV's. In reading the information I see that about 2/3 of all units only report with a warning light after a tire has lost more than 25% of proper pressure, does not indicate which tire has a problem, or give any indication of the tire overheating while a TPMS that we use gives a warning at 15% underinflation, which tire, and tire temperature. I fully argree on buying the best tires for your situation and that is why I bought Maxxis tires and moved up a load range at the same time. Will a TPMS save you every time?? I can't answer that but probably not. It can and has notified me of a problem after I picked up a 3/8" bolt in a tire and the only damage I had was to the tire unlike the time before that when a tire blew and took out all of my propane lines as well as a portion of the siding near the bottom. I fixed that damage myself, but I am sure if I were to take it into a repair facility it would have been well over $1000 so I am money ahead already. So the bottom line is I am a firm believer in a TPMS and also in favor of a quality CO detector as either of them may save you more than money. They may save your life.

Where did carbon monoxide (CO) come into this? If you were trying to say combustible gas detector - wrong detector.

TPMS is detection - just like any other detection. It is only effective if you have done everything to eliminate the hazard first. Smoke detectors give early warning of fire, but the way to prevent fire is minimize the fire hazard. TPMS is great tire trouble detector, but to first minimize tire trouble, get a quality tire.

Me Again wrote:

powderman426 wrote:

Me Again wrote:
TPMS only catch about 50 percent of the tire problems before it is to late. The other fifth percent is just an alarm that the tire is in a million pieces.

Could you please give us a link to those statistics??

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811681.pdf Look at section:

6. Discission

In reading a bit about TPMS to respond to you, it is seem there are a few issues the industry is dealing with. Proper maintenance is being over looked and components are failing due to corrosion. Valve cores must be a special nickle plated ones. Aluminum parts are corroding in area where roads are treated with chemicals in the winter.

http://www.tirereview.com/Article/106844/reader_comments_tpms_sensor_corrosion_a_big_issue.aspx

I have seen posts by and talked to people that said they gave up on their system do due to sensor leaking issues.

The theory of TPMS is good, it is just a young child not fully developed. For car and trucks there is not yet standardization of sensor components and batteries.

People have to understand it is just one tool among many. Step one in a lot of cases is to switch to the best tires available for your trailer, and in a very high number of cases that is not the OEM low bid bean counter ones the manufacturer installed.

I would much rather run really high quality tires that have very low failure rates reported without a TPMS, than run cheap OEM tires with a TPMS. We all have to decide where to spend your hard earned dollars. I put mine first into tires. I was going to maybe buy a TPMS at my last trailer tire installation two years ago, however the tire shop did not have bolt in valve stems that would fix my aluminum wheels. Bad planning on my part!

Chris

Nice Try, but no cigar.

That information is about passenger cars and light trucks equiped with a factory system and not the TPMS that we use on RV's. In reading the information I see that about 2/3 of all units only report with a warning light after a tire has lost more than 25% of proper pressure, does not indicate which tire has a problem, or give any indication of the tire overheating while a TPMS that we use gives a warning at 15% underinflation, which tire, and tire temperature. I fully argree on buying the best tires for your situation and that is why I bought Maxxis tires and moved up a load range at the same time. Will a TPMS save you every time?? I can't answer that but probably not. It can and has notified me of a problem after I picked up a 3/8" bolt in a tire and the only damage I had was to the tire unlike the time before that when a tire blew and took out all of my propane lines as well as a portion of the siding near the bottom. I fixed that damage myself, but I am sure if I were to take it into a repair facility it would have been well over $1000 so I am money ahead already. So the bottom line is I am a firm believer in a TPMS and also in favor of a quality CO detector as either of them may save you more than money. They may save your life.

Me Again wrote:

I would much rather run really high quality tires that have very low failure rates reported without a TPMS, than run cheap OEM tires with a TPMS. We all have to decide where to spend your hard earned dollars. I put mine first into tires. I was going to maybe buy a TPMS at my last trailer tire installation two years ago, however the tire shop did not have bolt in valve stems that would fix my aluminum wheels. Bad planning on my part!

Chris

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powderman426 wrote:

Me Again wrote:
TPMS only catch about 50 percent of the tire problems before it is to late. The other fifth percent is just an alarm that the tire is in a million pieces.

Could you please give us a link to those statistics??

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811681.pdf Look at section:

6. Discission

In reading a bit about TPMS to respond to you, it is seem there are a few issues the industry is dealing with. Proper maintenance is being over looked and components are failing due to corrosion. Valve cores must be a special nickle plated ones. Aluminum parts are corroding in area where roads are treated with chemicals in the winter.

http://www.tirereview.com/Article/106844/reader_comments_tpms_sensor_corrosion_a_big_issue.aspx

I have seen posts by and talked to people that said they gave up on their system do due to sensor leaking issues.

The theory of TPMS is good, it is just a young child not fully developed. For car and trucks there is not yet standardization of sensor components and batteries.

People have to understand it is just one tool among many. Step one in a lot of cases is to switch to the best tires available for your trailer, and in a very high number of cases that is not the OEM low bid bean counter ones the manufacturer installed.

I would much rather run really high quality tires that have very low failure rates reported without a TPMS, than run cheap OEM tires with a TPMS. We all have to decide where to spend your hard earned dollars. I put mine first into tires. I was going to maybe buy a TPMS at my last trailer tire installation two years ago, however the tire shop did not have bolt in valve stems that would fix my aluminum wheels. Bad planning on my part!

Chris

How do you know they were "blowouts" and not "flats"?

Me Again wrote:
TPMS only catch about 50 percent of the tire problems before it is to late. The other fifth percent is just an alarm that the tire is in a million pieces.

Could you please give us a link to those statistics??