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Oct 07, 2013

Strange Electrical Issue

Thanks in advance to anyone that helps us solve this mystery. We were in St Louis yesterday and left for Kansas which means we were on the road for about 9 hours. I tell you this simply to say tha...
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We were in St Louis yesterday and left for Kansas which means we were on the road for about 9 hours. I tell you this simply to say tha...","body@stringLength":"1665","rawBody":"Thanks in advance to anyone that helps us solve this mystery.

We were in St Louis yesterday and left for Kansas which means we were on the road for about 9 hours. I tell you this simply to say that my battery did charge during that drive time. I'll also say that we haven't experienced any electrical issues up to this point.

We arrived in Kansas last night and plugged into 30 amp shore power. We noticed the interior lights were very dim but didn't think too much of it.

I woke up this morning and started noticing electrical issues, such as the refrigerator was off and would try to start but couldn't. The furnace would try to start but couldn't. The water heater would try to light but couldn't. The built in stereo would try to come on but just flickered off/on. It seemed that everything on the 12 volt side was having issues; as if it wasn't getting enough amperage. I shut down all the interior lights and was able to get some stuff to come on but it was very limited.

This led me to believe that we had a bad battery because I knew it had plenty of charge from the drive the day before. The strange thing is that when I removed the battery altogether the 12 volt was operating perfectly. All lights were bright and everything worked as it should (I'm still plugged into shore power at this point).

I took the battery to a local Advanced Auto and they checked it. Surprisingly to me, they told me the battery was just fine.

So now I'm scratching my head. Do I have a bad converter? What else could it be?

Thanks!
Chad
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We were in St Louis yesterday and left for Kansas which means we were on the road for about 9 hours. I tell you this simply to say that my battery did charge during that drive time. I'll also say that we haven't experienced any electrical issues up to this point.

We arrived in Kansas last night and plugged into 30 amp shore power. We noticed the interior lights were very dim but didn't think too much of it.

I woke up this morning and started noticing electrical issues, such as the refrigerator was off and would try to start but couldn't. The furnace would try to start but couldn't. The water heater would try to light but couldn't. The built in stereo would try to come on but just flickered off/on. It seemed that everything on the 12 volt side was having issues; as if it wasn't getting enough amperage. I shut down all the interior lights and was able to get some stuff to come on but it was very limited.

This led me to believe that we had a bad battery because I knew it had plenty of charge from the drive the day before. The strange thing is that when I removed the battery altogether the 12 volt was operating perfectly. All lights were bright and everything worked as it should (I'm still plugged into shore power at this point).

I took the battery to a local Advanced Auto and they checked it. Surprisingly to me, they told me the battery was just fine.

So now I'm scratching my head. Do I have a bad converter? What else could it be?

Thanks!
Chad
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cswinford wrote:
JamesBr wrote:
Based on your other thread you mentioned a breaker panel as the WFCO converter part number. My searched turned up that the part number is only the 30/50 amp breaker panel, but compatible with a WFCO 9800 series converter. I still think you should check to see if the fan is working, as your problem sounds like thermal protection with it working intermitently.

As for autozone or advanced auto, they use the same tests used by shops. They are pretty accurate on the battery being good or not and can even dected how much CCA is left in the batteries. Only the big heavy load testers (not the handheld) can detect aH or Amp hour capacity. But from what I found, CCA capacity even in 6v, when they get below half, the battery is done.


JamesBr


You're right about the part number being the panel only. I'm learning as I go here. I dug into the unit and took the front cover off only to find that the converter was not in the same compartment. Instead, I found a 110 plug (like a three prong house plug) in the back of the panel leading to another cavity. I went into the basement wall and found the converter back there. I put everything inside back together and put a load on the converter and the fan did not come on.

The oddest thing to me was that the converter plugged into the back of the power panel with a three prong plug. Is that normal?


I'm having trouble following the logic of what you are doing but the fan may not come on until it has been under a heavy load for a period of time. Have you taken any voltage measurements at the converter and/or battery yet?","body@stringLength":"1732","rawBody":"
cswinford wrote:
JamesBr wrote:
Based on your other thread you mentioned a breaker panel as the WFCO converter part number. My searched turned up that the part number is only the 30/50 amp breaker panel, but compatible with a WFCO 9800 series converter. I still think you should check to see if the fan is working, as your problem sounds like thermal protection with it working intermitently.

As for autozone or advanced auto, they use the same tests used by shops. They are pretty accurate on the battery being good or not and can even dected how much CCA is left in the batteries. Only the big heavy load testers (not the handheld) can detect aH or Amp hour capacity. But from what I found, CCA capacity even in 6v, when they get below half, the battery is done.


JamesBr


You're right about the part number being the panel only. I'm learning as I go here. I dug into the unit and took the front cover off only to find that the converter was not in the same compartment. Instead, I found a 110 plug (like a three prong house plug) in the back of the panel leading to another cavity. I went into the basement wall and found the converter back there. I put everything inside back together and put a load on the converter and the fan did not come on.

The oddest thing to me was that the converter plugged into the back of the power panel with a three prong plug. Is that normal?


I'm having trouble following the logic of what you are doing but the fan may not come on until it has been under a heavy load for a period of time. 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