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The only tires I can find local are the goodyear marathon...how well do they hold up.

Just went to 2 tire places, the only game in town and they are both Chinese tire ...national akuret?? I'm not at the trailer so I can not lokat the GAWR?..the trailer dry is 10150 lb anc can take another. 900 of cargo

FastEagle wrote:
I like this one because it shows pictures.

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Keep in mind this is a newish trailer and the damage could have been down on the way to the dealer and continued while at the dealership.


FastEagle

I bought two new RVs from two different dealers and neither one checked the tire pressures or lug nut torque during prep. Seems to be a common practice. I am sure they never looked at the tires at all, although they did wash the trailer quite nicely...

When choosing a tire select something rated to carry the entire GVWR.
Higher load range or pressure may require a new wheel.

Ezbagr wrote:
CapriRacer, I know that you have alot of knowledge about tires but I cannot believe what you posted about Chris.
I would take Chris`s recommendations before Calvin`s any day of the week.
I read alot about how a majority of these ST tire failures are because the owner did not properly take care of them. I say BS to this.
There are 10`s of millions more car and truck tires going down the road
compared to ST tires. I will guarantee that percentage wise the car-truck tires that fail are a fraction of the ST failures. Why is it?
Do the car-truck tire owners meticulously take care of their tires-I highly doubt it.Even you say that the ST tires are 20% over rated.
Whats funny is Calvin produces all these government papers that require a person to use such and such a tire that is specified on the PLACARD or you are breaking the law. I say HOOEY-person needs to find out what weight they have on their tires-make sure that it is not over axle rating and then buy LT tires to cover their load that they have on them.Yes, you may be breaking the law by having tires that cover your load and not being PLACARD equivalent, but what is safer-a ST tire that we KNOW are prone to failure or LT tire that is rated for the load that you are putting on that tire.
Also one other question, does anyone know of ANYBOBY that has been ticketed for not using PLACARD equivalent tires. Chances are it is not going to happen.

Well said!!!
All the name calling and tantrums is getting a little old!

Keith

CapriRacer, I know that you have alot of knowledge about tires but I cannot believe what you posted about Chris.
I would take Chris`s recommendations before Calvin`s any day of the week.
I read alot about how a majority of these ST tire failures are because the owner did not properly take care of them. I say BS to this.
There are 10`s of millions more car and truck tires going down the road
compared to ST tires. I will guarantee that percentage wise the car-truck tires that fail are a fraction of the ST failures. Why is it?
Do the car-truck tire owners meticulously take care of their tires-I highly doubt it.Even you say that the ST tires are 20% over rated.
Whats funny is Calvin produces all these government papers that require a person to use such and such a tire that is specified on the PLACARD or you are breaking the law. I say HOOEY-person needs to find out what weight they have on their tires-make sure that it is not over axle rating and then buy LT tires to cover their load that they have on them.Yes, you may be breaking the law by having tires that cover your load and not being PLACARD equivalent, but what is safer-a ST tire that we KNOW are prone to failure or LT tire that is rated for the load that you are putting on that tire.
Also one other question, does anyone know of ANYBOBY that has been ticketed for not using PLACARD equivalent tires. Chances are it is not going to happen.

Chris,
Glad to hear you were able to get your RV mfg to change their wheels. Do they also provide the LR-G tires on all units?

Maybe if more people started to walk away from buying the new RV with all the bling and some better basic quality things would change. Last couple of shows I was at I asked what it would cost to get 3 year B2B warranty on the RV they were trying to sell me. Basically they refused at any price.

Why all the complaints on tires that are 3 - 6 years old but almost no complaints on the junk that gets delivered as a new RV.

CapriRacer wrote:

Me Again wrote:

FastEagle wrote:
I like this one because it shows pictures.

Click Here

Keep in mind this is a newish trailer and the damage could have been down on the way to the dealer and continued while at the dealership.


FastEagle

Well there he is in living color even, tire company people always blame failures on the users and never on their tires! At least Goodyear...... well you know, maybe they are different from the rest!

Chris

Chris,

Did you even look at the link? It's from Transport Canada - that would be a government agency. Goodyear (or any other tire brand) is NOT mentioned anywhere in the article!

You need to stop making false accusations and unwarranted assumptions. You have developed the reputation of being argumentative and totally unreliable.

Great Barry, we get to talk to a real tire person. Do you believe that all these ST tire failures are user related or do we have a tire type that is just not up to the job? Yes I looked at the link. The person that posted it has one of the worst tire records going, yet he defends them to the end blaming any and all failures on the user.

And please do not again say going up in load range will resolve the issue or I will find and post the link from the user that just said he tried Carlisle LRF ST tires and had two failures in the first year. Maybe was in this thread back a page or two and you have already seen that.

Please explain how tire issues basically go away for most users when they switch from ST to LT tires on their trailer, and claim that they did not change anything else such as speed, area driven, air pressure maintenance, and covering when not in use.

While you are at it, please explain why Goodyear is so good about warrantying failures and paying for trailer damage when their and most other warranties exclude consequential damages. Note in all cases Goodyear first must receive the failed tire for their engineers to look at. If they are finding the user at fault would they be paying for new tires and trailer damage? I have never heard of them turning down a claim on a tire submitted which includes their G614 LRG that has had a bit of a checkered past.

Maybe just once we can get to the bottom of this issue that is repeated over and over again? And quit blame the poor consumer that is being sold an expensive trailer with the cheapest tires that the manufacturer can source for the OEM installation. If this situation was occurring on cars, pickups, vans and SUVs it would be all over the evening news. 20-20 and 60 minutes would be doing segments. Is it that just pocket books are getting killed, not people? What is it going to take.

Wasn't this one of your quotes? "Put a different way, the load carrying capacity of an ST tire is 20% greater than an LT tire. Since durability is strictly a long term issue - and the results of a tire failure on a trailer are much less life threatening than on a truck - the folks that set up these load / inflation pressure relationships allow a greater......ah......let's call it load intensity."

I know for Forest River/Cardinal (I have a Cardinal) we as members of the online Cardinal Club are getting them to make some industry leading changes. All Cardinals now ship with wheels that are rated for LRG 16" tires and a factory option is now available to up grade tires from Marathon's to G614. I helped with the documentation and wright up that the head of the club took to a face to face with the manufacturer. Cardinal reps regularly attend the rallies that the club holds around the country so there is a close relationship.

I challenged the head tire guy at Keystone to take this lead and they did not! So now their will have to fall in line helpfully as Forest River INC leads the way.

Chris

While at the Atlanta RV Show this past spring, I was in a conversation with a Fuzion rep that stated the reason they have these Chinese tires is that no larger company will commit to the volume of tires that the camper industry needs. He stated that GY, Michelin etc. dedicate their tire manufacturing schedules to producing OEM tires for automobiles and not RV's. He said that their are too many load range applications and too many trailers being manufactured to keep a steady flow of tires coming to them. But the Chinese tires are readily available for them to use. I called 'BS' and told him they were just cheaper to buy. To that he said, "they are cheaper to buy, but if we bought more expensive tires, we would pass the cost on the consumer and have a better reputation in that regard. However the tires just aren't available". Take from it what you will. I replaced my PowerKings after 400 miles with GY G614s and carry two of the originals as spares. Surely they will work for that

I agree, definite BS...There aren't that many load ranges and one would think "too" many trailers being manufactured would equal major bucks and profits for the tire company. Or at least maybe they should give us the option to install "the right" tires right from the factory that just maybe we will pay the extra, seeing as how the trailer manufacturs don't care about us or our rigs....

Me Again wrote:

FastEagle wrote:
I like this one because it shows pictures.

Click Here

Keep in mind this is a newish trailer and the damage could have been down on the way to the dealer and continued while at the dealership.


FastEagle

Well there he is in living color even, tire company people always blame failures on the users and never on their tires! At least Goodyear...... well you know, maybe they are different from the rest!

Chris

Chris,

Did you even look at the link? It's from Transport Canada - that would be a government agency. Goodyear (or any other tire brand) is NOT mentioned anywhere in the article!

You need to stop making false accusations and unwarranted assumptions. You have developed the reputation of being argumentative and totally unreliable.