Tow Vehical

desiphil wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
An F250 diesel doesn't carry much more than an F150 HD model. With the Ecoboost engine, the F150 gets as good mileage as the diesel, and the F150 costs $10K less.

I just have to laugh at the new Ecoboost tow rating. Towed a 8,900lb trailer with one - with no w/d hitch - and I'll just say I'm glad I made it back in one piece. Trailer was an Open Range Journeyer 337

Seems the kids now a days do not understand the need for a full floater rear axle for heavy loads and why Heavy Duty trucks were created to begin with!!!!

Chris

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
An F250 diesel doesn't carry much more than an F150 HD model. With the Ecoboost engine, the F150 gets as good mileage as the diesel, and the F150 costs $10K less.

I just have to laugh at the new Ecoboost tow rating. Towed a 8,900lb trailer with one - with no w/d hitch - and I'll just say I'm glad I made it back in one piece. Trailer was an Open Range Journeyer 337

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
An F250 diesel doesn't carry much more than an F150 HD model. With the Ecoboost engine, the F150 gets as good mileage as the diesel, and the F150 costs $10K less.

You might want to look at this and compare it to what a F150 can tow.

Super Cab 4x4
F250 16,100
F150 11,300

Chris

An F250 diesel doesn't carry much more than an F150 HD model. With the Ecoboost engine, the F150 gets as good mileage as the diesel, and the F150 costs $10K less.

Atom Ant wrote:

john&bet wrote:
My opinion is that there should be no such thing as a 1 ton srw. Thier tires are the same so thier contact point with the road is the same as a 3/4 ton. JMHO.

?? Let's take it a step further, let's just eliminate the 3/4 ton. Why de-rate a perfectly good SRW 1-ton with lighter axles and springs ;)

Not far off on point there! With the 'advertised' weight rating on the 1/2 tons, basically with a 3/4 ton truck these days, you are getting a 1/2 ton with a diesel engine!(if so desired)...kidding guys, we all know the 2500s can CARRY more. Just playing with you, but really not that far off on numbers.

This 1977 sure looks like a floater to me. I've never been a Dodge fan, but I know GM had floaters in the 70s.

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
'78 Dodge W300 (Powerwagon, 1-ton) had a Dana 70 (full-float) rear axle, if I remember correctly.

might have been the early 80s. The late 70s was when the hubs disappeared when combined with the NP203. I may have got that backwards. I don't think my 81 D300 had a floating rear.

'78 Dodge W300 (Powerwagon, 1-ton) had a Dana 70 (full-float) rear axle, if I remember correctly.

john&bet wrote:

720Deere wrote:

Atom Ant wrote:

john&bet wrote:
My opinion is that there should be no such thing as a 1 ton srw. Thier tires are the same so thier contact point with the road is the same as a 3/4 ton. JMHO.

?? Let's take it a step further, let's just eliminate the 3/4 ton. Why de-rate a perfectly good SRW 1-ton with lighter axles and springs ;)

Exactly! The 1 ton SRW is everything that a 3/4 ton should be. With the half tons creeping up on the 3/4, the decision to buy a 3/4 over a 1 ton never made any sense to me. As far as the tires go, most everybody has a 20" wheel option these days and those tires ratings are more in line with what the rear axle is capable of. Not sure what the contact patch has to do with it.

If you eliminated the SRW 1 ton, you would force a lot of people that don't need it into driving a dually. No thanks, I'll stick with the more legally capable version of the SRW truck.

The amount of rubber touching the road is called traction. Traction is used for a lot of things. Besides 3/4 ton were around a long time before the 1 ton srw. 3/4 ton did not evolve from a 1 ton srw. JMHO.

Just not sure where you are trying to go with the traction thing - you might explain more.

I think it was Dodge that first came out with a decent 1 ton SRW pickup back in 1978 or so, and it was the best thing since sliced bread - no floating axle, just a heavy payload and it looked and drove just like every other pickup. I never looked at a 3/4 ton again - no point.

I would think with Ford taking the lead with the F450 in a Super-Duty package, the other truck makers will follow suit in the heavy duty truck line and it won't be too long before the 3/4 ton just fades away, or it just becomes another "heavy half" like they used to be in the 70s and they will start dressing out the 1500s as a the new 2500s or F250s. Look what happened to the F-100 - gone.

The only thing that might kill my theory is the way some states license the trucks - if I remember, 1-tons are taxed different or require a different drivers license in some states.

720Deere wrote:

Atom Ant wrote:

john&bet wrote:
My opinion is that there should be no such thing as a 1 ton srw. Thier tires are the same so thier contact point with the road is the same as a 3/4 ton. JMHO.

?? Let's take it a step further, let's just eliminate the 3/4 ton. Why de-rate a perfectly good SRW 1-ton with lighter axles and springs ;)

Exactly! The 1 ton SRW is everything that a 3/4 ton should be. With the half tons creeping up on the 3/4, the decision to buy a 3/4 over a 1 ton never made any sense to me. As far as the tires go, most everybody has a 20" wheel option these days and those tires ratings are more in line with what the rear axle is capable of. Not sure what the contact patch has to do with it.

If you eliminated the SRW 1 ton, you would force a lot of people that don't need it into driving a dually. No thanks, I'll stick with the more legally capable version of the SRW truck.

The amount of rubber touching the road is called traction. Traction is used for a lot of things. Besides 3/4 ton were around a long time before the 1 ton srw. 3/4 ton did not evolve from a 1 ton srw. JMHO.