vehicle weight ration to trailer weight?

LOL.... Looks like your the one embarrassed by your lack of experience and now your looking for a argument.
An I embarrassed ? No....your off topic opinions and questions don't embarrass me. Just the opposite. I'm actually more embarrassed for you as its evident you have no experience with roadside dot or a rolling through scale house and what is or isn't enforceable.

Commercial or non commercial ?? I doubt you know the actual difference.
I sure do as I've done both with the same trucks.

JIMNLIN wrote:

They can try to "enforce" anything they want but if it's not law it is not enforceable.

Really ??
I see you have never had a roadside with dot or have you ever rolled through a scale house....I'm done.

Really? Show me what allows them to enforce anything they want to!

Talked to several DOT guys at scales..., they work to enforce laws, not make up rules for fun!

It also sounds like you are confusing commercial with non-commercial.

You never did answer the questions I asked earlier... Did the answers embarrass you?

They can try to "enforce" anything they want but if it's not law it is not enforceable.

Really ??
I see you have never had a roadside with dot or have you ever rolled through a scale house....I'm done.

JIMNLIN wrote:
LOL ...all I can say is you better listen to the DOT guys as their the ones that will interpret and enforce regulations. '

They can try to "enforce" anything they want but if it's not law it is not enforceable.

I have also met the DOT guys that know the law and surprisingly it is just as it reads.

LOL ...all I can say is you better listen to the DOT guys as their the ones that will interpret and enforce regulations. '

JIMNLIN, Do you still live in Oklahoma?? I am looking thru Oklahoma statues and laws and what I am finding does not agree with your statement. There is nothing in there about a private, or commercial, vehicle needing to adhere to the GVWR or GAWR (it does talk about municipal refuse vehicles thou) that I can find.

Copy/paste does not work.. but basically 20K per axle on single axle vehicles. OK Chap 14 doesn't even cover tire limits where Idaho does.

http://www.dps.state.ok.us/ohp/chapter14.pdf

Additionally, if other state laws are a concern, Federal CFR 567.7 allows individuals or corporations to alter vehicles and their GVWR/GAWR.

Do you have a link to something different for Oklahoma? Or have you moved? Not saying you are wrong about OK I just cannot find what you referenced.

Listening to DOT guys will only go so far. I have had local DOT guys tell me that GAWR is legally binding but they go on to say it was hear-say and have never read the laws. If you show them the laws their tune changes.

One thing I have found in Idaho is that their registration rules/booklets does not cover non-commercial weights. Reading the rules would make one think that all non-commercial registration are the same when they are not. The standard non-commercial/passenger registration is only good for 8,000lbs. Many pickups are heavier than that without a trailer, yet the DMV does not ask or advertise the weight limit with standard registration. There are then non-commercial "truck" plates that let you choose 8,001-16,000lbs or 16,001-26,000lb GCW. So with standard plates I could get an overweight ticket and be within GVWR/GAWR/tires/single axle limits. My point is that the practices and procedures need to match the state law/rules but they do not always.. that is where the fun begins in court if it ever comes to that.

Commercial laws are also often different than non-commercial and shouldn't be discusses as the same without verification. What I do with a non-commercial pickup at 26K may not be legal with a commercial hauler at 26K.

GAWR tells you a minimum brake rating, but it doesn't tell you the actual brake rating (generally speaking).

Having towed "legally" commercially for living for over 11 consecutive years, eight as a owner and three as a operator, and gone through dozens of scale houses at 28k-32k gross combined in a eight state area around my state this is the only thing we can agree on which is just as I mentioned the GAWRS are a minimum in my first comment on the brake rating issue.

Tire load numbers come from, wait for it, the tires :-)

My state (and every other one I have researched, maybe 5 or 6) only cares about registration and tire loading. Now that doesn't mean you couldn't get a ticket for loading a Ranger to capacity with a DRW conversion and LRH tires... it just would be for something different.

The only two places manufacturers axle weight rating are mentioned in Idaho is in the glossary and when talking about TAG axles. A TAG axle is the only axle that must be at/under the mfgr GAWR, otherwise game on (within reason).

http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title49/T49CH10SECT49-1001.htm

I am 100% legal going down the road at 7300lbs on my rear axle with a door sticker of 6200 RAWR. I am registered for 26K GCW and have tires that allow for a RAW of 9K.

Your post above was not about where brake ratings come from it was where axle ratings come from.

GAWR tells you a minimum brake rating, but it doesn't tell you the actual brake rating (generally speaking). The front/rear differences I mentioned above with higher RAWR than front show that alone. My pickup is a great example. 5200/6200 or 5200/9350 when equipped as a DRW. The front brakes are larger than the rear brakes so we know the brakes on the front are helping stop the rear axle load. We know that based on the inverse axle rating to brake size and the percentage of braking that occurs by the front axle. Another example is trailer brakes. The brakes found on my 5200lb axles are the same brakes found on 6K, 7K, and some 8K axles.

There are also blurbs from Ford, (and I recall the other being Dodge but have had a hard time finding it) that state their brake ratings are around GVWR plus the 2,000lbs allowed for a trailer without brakes. But is that for cars? LD trucks? HD trucks?

Then again it is really here nor there as all this does is show most of us have a LOT more brake than rating, which is not a bad thing.

AH64ID wrote:
Manufactures of LD and HD pickups make different claims about what their brakes are rated for, but it really is here nor there as axle weight rating isn't a legally binding rating in any state that I familiar with.

DOT doesn't care about axle ratings they care about tires and registration, as long as your under 20K per axle.

Where do you think dot will get tire load numbers from on different size vehicles ??

Registration ??
My and other states have no weight registration for our private use trucks. Like a truck makers GVWR...its another meaningless number for determining axle/tire load limits. We simply carry weight up the lessor of a steer or drive axle or the trailers axle(s). My dot guys say they don't care how much weight a out of state truck carries on its registration form ...... it still can't exceed the lessor of the trucks axle tire load ratings with out a permit.

My point here is about brake ratings and where those numbers come from according to NHTSA and other sources I mentioned in my reply above.

Manufactures of LD and HD pickups make different claims about what their brakes are rated for, but it really is here nor there as axle weight rating isn't a legally binding rating in any state that I familiar with.

DOT doesn't care about axle ratings they care about tires and registration, as long as your under 20K per axle.