Sorry I couldn't chime in, we were off playing all day.
I think the actual weight unloaded was in the 15K range. In looking at all that space for "stuff" in the front, adding to the pin weight, which I think was2800 ++, and I could see another 1000 lbs easy. Just looking at what I carry in my bays is scary.
I really don't want a dually, or a long bed for that matter, so guess I'd better talk DW into something smaller and lighter. It's gonna be hard to go from real wood to something imitation like.
We were looking at a Dynamax 38 RL
Thx for all the replies.