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beelbill
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Apr 14, 2015

Well, that went as expected

I have been pulling and backing trailers for 40 years. But never tried a 5th wheel until today. Brought our new 5th wheel to the mobile home court we will be living in. It pulled much better than a travel trailer. But I can't back it into a site worth crap. When you are backing into a site that is on the driver's side, the 5th wheel is so close and big you can't see squat on the passenger side. My wife was supposed to be back there watching for me, but she was busy throwing twigs in front of my tires to give me better traction. After I hit the tree, I pulled forward and got stuck in the mud. On the bright side, we met all the neighbors who came to watch the show. I now know who the subdivision big mouth is. He was overheard loudly informing each new arrival that I was an unteachable idiot. Once I got towed out of the site, I just left it on the road next to the site to try another more dry day. Should have bought a backup camera but didn't think it was worth it for one vacation a year. Actually, starting to think should have bought a travel trailer. But, everyone said it would be sooooo much easier. They didn't realize I was an unteachable idiot.
  • How did he determine you were an unteachable idiot?Did he try to help and offer advice?
  • Found this on a forum many years ago, no idea who wrote it.

    Backing a 5er
    There are a few tips that make it easier.
    Tip 1: Do everything possible to insure that you will be turning on the driver side. Even if it means driving around the campground and up/down a few roads to get yourself turned around. Passenger is your blind side and should be last resort.
    Tip 2: You have to learn how long the reaction time is for your trailer to react. Go to a parking lot and practice. Always use your trailers rear axle as the reference point. The reaction time is the time it takes from the time you turn the tow vehicle steering wheel until the time the trailer starts turning.
    Tip 3: There are two terms you need to know. Neutral, Jack and Chase. Neutral position is when the tow vehicle steering wheel is at the position where the truck is going in a straight line. When you Jack the trailer you are causing it to turn the opposite direction that the truck is turning. Such as in jack-knife. Chase is when you are trying to straighten out the truck and trailer, thus the term chasing the trailer.
    Tip 4: Get out and survey the parking area (with your spotter) for obstructions. Determine where you want the trailer to end up and pick a reference point, which will act as the "edge of the parking area".
    Tip 5: Start with the truck and trailer traveling straight. You want the side you are turning into to be about 4' off the curb or edge of the road. When the tow vehicles rear axle is at the far edge of the parking space, cut your truck wheel hard away from the curb. When the truck is about a 45-degree angle to the curb (or as close as you can get given the space you have to use) straighten the wheel back to the neutral position. As soon as the truck has begun going straight, cut the wheel hard in the opposite direction until the truck is again parallel to the curb. STOP. Your trailer is now at a good angle to start backing up.
    Tip 6: Jack the trailer until it get to about 15-20 degree angle of the space you are going to park it then start chasing it.
    Tip 7: If your running out of space to get the truck & trailer running straight, don't be afraid to pull forward to help straighten it out.
    Tip 8: PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE and never backup with out a spotter.
    I always have my wife (spotter) standing right next to the truck (rather than at the back) In the angle of the turn. We've already surveyed the area so we know what is where. We've picked our reference point as the point we want to miss. This point is far enough away from the opposite side of the parking area such that I will miss any obstruction. She watches to rear trailer axle and tells me whether to JACK IT or CHASE IT. That is the only thing I need to hear (other than STOP). With those terms I know exactly which way to turn. She is not standing at the back of the trailer flailing her arms yelling LEFT, NO MY LEFT, STRAIGHT, TURN IT THE OTHER WAY…... Nobody can react to those terms.
  • I've learned that it is easier and cheaper to have trees cut down than to back around and into them. :)

    EDIT. And your wife would have a limitless supply of twigs.
  • All I can say is that I have a 40' fifth wheel and that after two years I still suck at backing it up. You can listen to the good advice from these folks but it really takes someone super duper smart to park a fifth. You need a forth or fifth sense. I use the bump and crunch method.

    Good luck
  • Go find a big parking lot and practice, definitely a learning curve. Once you get used to backing it you can call your new friend an idiot when you slide it in on the first try. Enjoy that new fifth wheel.
  • Well, I doubt that you are an unteachable idiot. I have to admit that watching the new folks set up is one of my favorite things to do. However, if those folks start having problems instead of laughing at them I'm more inclined to empathize. I've been where you are and felt the way you feel. Stick with the 5'er you'll come to enjoy the road control and ease of towing. Remember, for every loud mouth there's ten other people that have been where you are.
  • If I can do it, you CAN do it...

    And how many times has loudmouth neighbor backed in a fifth-wheel?

    I learned the "set-up" position from a truck driving instructor and after that, it was very easy.

    Don't get discouraged. Practice, practice, practice... some open parking lot with some cheap orange cones and suggest two-way radios for you and your spouse.

    Good Luck and enjoy that new fiver.