topjimmy wrote:
Some of the old timers are just stuck in a time warp:S (see above)you \"China Bomb\" boys go ahead and blow your money on the Goodyear G614's and most of us will take the Saliun's any day including me for 2 years of fulltiming with them with a 40ft 15.5 K 5er with ZERO problems over alot of bad roads and they are a proven winner over the years for WAY less money, newer Montana 5ers(not the High Country's) have the Saliuns G rated 14 ply's as standard tires and the newer Grand Designs Solitude uses the Westlake G's as they use to have the Westlake 10 ply E rated that were not up to the job and I have talked to a lot of these owners in my travels and have not heard a complaint about either one of these G rated 14 ply tires
topjimmy wrote:
Some of the old timers are just stuck in a time warp:S (see above)you \"China Bomb\" boys go ahead and blow your money on the Goodyear G614's and most of us will take the Saliun's any day including me for 2 years of fulltiming with them with a 40ft 15.5 K 5er with ZERO problems over alot of bad roads and they are a proven winner over the years for WAY less money, newer Montana 5ers(not the High Country's) have the Saliuns G rated 14 ply's as standard tires and the newer Grand Designs Solitude uses the Westlake G's as they use to have the Westlake 10 ply E rated that were not up to the job and I have talked to a lot of these owners in my travels and have not heard a complaint about either one of these G rated 14 ply tires
fj12ryder wrote:SabreCanuck wrote:The user understanding the limitations of the product make little difference if it is a shoddy product to begin with. Most \"E\" rated ST tires are rated over 3,400 lbs. Using them on an axle carrying between 2,500 and 3,000 lbs. per tire should be a nobrainer. Unfortunately that's not the issue since the tires are substandard to begin with.
Most E tires are rated at 65 mph and 3000#'ish. MOST un-knowing users cruise along at 70-75 MPH and overload axles.. So, those tires are red-lined their entire life and eventually disintegrate.
Either way, if the USER understands the limitations of the Product and runs by those limitations they will be fine. There are SOOOO many factors involved in tire issues that nobody ever brings up other than \"China bombs\". Which for some reason as stated multiple times in this thread, leads people to going out and spending well earned $$$ to replace something that simply does not need replacing.
He has G rated tires that are more than capable of the job, yet many people suggest replacing them due to mfg name, based on past experience with a lower-rated tire.
That's the point.
I'm not sure where you get your information about \"MOST un-knowing users cruise along at 70-75 MPH and overload axles\". Is this first-hand knowledge gotten from checking speeds, tires, and taking polls? Or just making it up out of whole cloth to support your argument? Generally speaking, your argument tends to not be supported by facts posted on this forum, and some others.
As I mentioned way back, I've heard good things about Westlake \"G\" rated tires and would run them unless I had problems with them.
fj12ryder wrote:SabreCanuck wrote:The user understanding the limitations of the product make little difference if it is a shoddy product to begin with. Most \"E\" rated ST tires are rated over 3,400 lbs. Using them on an axle carrying between 2,500 and 3,000 lbs. per tire should be a nobrainer. Unfortunately that's not the issue since the tires are substandard to begin with.
Most E tires are rated at 65 mph and 3000#'ish. MOST un-knowing users cruise along at 70-75 MPH and overload axles.. So, those tires are red-lined their entire life and eventually disintegrate.
Either way, if the USER understands the limitations of the Product and runs by those limitations they will be fine. There are SOOOO many factors involved in tire issues that nobody ever brings up other than \"China bombs\". Which for some reason as stated multiple times in this thread, leads people to going out and spending well earned $$$ to replace something that simply does not need replacing.
He has G rated tires that are more than capable of the job, yet many people suggest replacing them due to mfg name, based on past experience with a lower-rated tire.
That's the point.
I'm not sure where you get your information about \"MOST un-knowing users cruise along at 70-75 MPH and overload axles\". Is this first-hand knowledge gotten from checking speeds, tires, and taking polls? Or just making it up out of whole cloth to support your argument? Generally speaking, your argument tends to not be supported by facts posted on this forum, and some others.
As I mentioned way back, I've heard good things about Westlake \"G\" rated tires and would run them unless I had problems with them.
SabreCanuck wrote:The user understanding the limitations of the product make little difference if it is a shoddy product to begin with. Most \"E\" rated ST tires are rated over 3,400 lbs. Using them on an axle carrying between 2,500 and 3,000 lbs. per tire should be a nobrainer. Unfortunately that's not the issue since the tires are substandard to begin with.
Most E tires are rated at 65 mph and 3000#'ish. MOST un-knowing users cruise along at 70-75 MPH and overload axles.. So, those tires are red-lined their entire life and eventually disintegrate.
Either way, if the USER understands the limitations of the Product and runs by those limitations they will be fine. There are SOOOO many factors involved in tire issues that nobody ever brings up other than \"China bombs\". Which for some reason as stated multiple times in this thread, leads people to going out and spending well earned $$$ to replace something that simply does not need replacing.
He has G rated tires that are more than capable of the job, yet many people suggest replacing them due to mfg name, based on past experience with a lower-rated tire.
That's the point.
SabreCanuck wrote:The user understanding the limitations of the product make little difference if it is a shoddy product to begin with. Most \"E\" rated ST tires are rated over 3,400 lbs. Using them on an axle carrying between 2,500 and 3,000 lbs. per tire should be a nobrainer. Unfortunately that's not the issue since the tires are substandard to begin with.
Most E tires are rated at 65 mph and 3000#'ish. MOST un-knowing users cruise along at 70-75 MPH and overload axles.. So, those tires are red-lined their entire life and eventually disintegrate.
Either way, if the USER understands the limitations of the Product and runs by those limitations they will be fine. There are SOOOO many factors involved in tire issues that nobody ever brings up other than \"China bombs\". Which for some reason as stated multiple times in this thread, leads people to going out and spending well earned $$$ to replace something that simply does not need replacing.
He has G rated tires that are more than capable of the job, yet many people suggest replacing them due to mfg name, based on past experience with a lower-rated tire.
That's the point.
fj12ryder wrote:SabreCanuck wrote:Sorry, I don't buy into that. It's more like running your truck in 5th gear at 3,000 rpm, when it's rated at 5,000 rpm redline, and the engine blows up with no warning.
I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
\"G\" rated is the key here not the company that makes them. G rated tire is rated above/beyond normal use on a fifth wheel while E rated tires are usually maxed out for speed/Weight but folks still run'em at 75 mph. MOST of the negativity on the china bombs don't realise or mention they are replacing those oh-so crappy E rated tire with a G rated tire and blaming the company that makes them. It's like running your truck in 2nd gear, red-line RPM all day and blame the MFG when she blows?
These so-called \"China bombs\" have rightfully earned that sobriquet. There has been a definite downward trend in the number of blow-outs and unexpected flat tires involving Chinese made tires in the last few years. The numbers were very high in the early 2010's, and now, not so much. I doubt very much that the driving habits have changed, I tend to think the improvements center around those round black donuts.
fj12ryder wrote:SabreCanuck wrote:Sorry, I don't buy into that. It's more like running your truck in 5th gear at 3,000 rpm, when it's rated at 5,000 rpm redline, and the engine blows up with no warning.
I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
\"G\" rated is the key here not the company that makes them. G rated tire is rated above/beyond normal use on a fifth wheel while E rated tires are usually maxed out for speed/Weight but folks still run'em at 75 mph. MOST of the negativity on the china bombs don't realise or mention they are replacing those oh-so crappy E rated tire with a G rated tire and blaming the company that makes them. It's like running your truck in 2nd gear, red-line RPM all day and blame the MFG when she blows?
These so-called \"China bombs\" have rightfully earned that sobriquet. There has been a definite downward trend in the number of blow-outs and unexpected flat tires involving Chinese made tires in the last few years. The numbers were very high in the early 2010's, and now, not so much. I doubt very much that the driving habits have changed, I tend to think the improvements center around those round black donuts.
SabreCanuck wrote:Sorry, I don't buy into that. It's more like running your truck in 5th gear at 3,000 rpm, when it's rated at 5,000 rpm redline, and the engine blows up with no warning.
I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
\"G\" rated is the key here not the company that makes them. G rated tire is rated above/beyond normal use on a fifth wheel while E rated tires are usually maxed out for speed/Weight but folks still run'em at 75 mph. MOST of the negativity on the china bombs don't realise or mention they are replacing those oh-so crappy E rated tire with a G rated tire and blaming the company that makes them. It's like running your truck in 2nd gear, red-line RPM all day and blame the MFG when she blows?
SabreCanuck wrote:Sorry, I don't buy into that. It's more like running your truck in 5th gear at 3,000 rpm, when it's rated at 5,000 rpm redline, and the engine blows up with no warning.
I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
\"G\" rated is the key here not the company that makes them. G rated tire is rated above/beyond normal use on a fifth wheel while E rated tires are usually maxed out for speed/Weight but folks still run'em at 75 mph. MOST of the negativity on the china bombs don't realise or mention they are replacing those oh-so crappy E rated tire with a G rated tire and blaming the company that makes them. It's like running your truck in 2nd gear, red-line RPM all day and blame the MFG when she blows?
SabreCanuck wrote:EXACTLY!! that is the correct response it is a NOT a Made in China problem it is that E rated 10 ply ANY brand is not the right tool for the job for heavier 5er's period... I have run made in China tires on my Dually truck and cars for Many years with zero problems","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-03-26T10:43:16.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-03-26T10:43:16.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":332},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:FifthWheel/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:FifthWheelforum-board/message:2977611/message:2977637","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"905","rawBody":"
I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
\"G\" rated is the key here not the company that makes them. G rated tire is rated above/beyond normal use on a fifth wheel while E rated tires are usually maxed out for speed/Weight but folks still run'em at 75 mph. MOST of the negativity on the china bombs don't realise or mention they are replacing those oh-so crappy E rated tire with a G rated tire and blaming the company that makes them. It's like running your truck in 2nd gear, red-line RPM all day and blame the MFG when she blows?
SabreCanuck wrote:EXACTLY!! that is the correct response it is a NOT a Made in China problem it is that E rated 10 ply ANY brand is not the right tool for the job for heavier 5er's period... I have run made in China tires on my Dually truck and cars for Many years with zero problems","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2977637_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2977636":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2977636","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2977636":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:16176"},"id":"message:2977636","revisionNum":1,"uid":2977636,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FifthWheelforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2977611"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2977611"},"subject":"Re: Westlake Tires ??","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2977636"},"body":"I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
I think you are on the right track in your thought process and should just keep'em....
\"G\" rated is the key here not the company that makes them. G rated tire is rated above/beyond normal use on a fifth wheel while E rated tires are usually maxed out for speed/Weight but folks still run'em at 75 mph. MOST of the negativity on the china bombs don't realise or mention they are replacing those oh-so crappy E rated tire with a G rated tire and blaming the company that makes them. It's like running your truck in 2nd gear, red-line RPM all day and blame the MFG when she blows?
