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dvleemin
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Sep 05, 2014

Alternator not working - looking for help debugging

On my way home from a trip my check engine light lit up on my 05 Itasca Horizon 40Ad that has a Freightliner chassis with a cummins 400 engine. I checked and the error was low voltage - and a test revealed that it was 11.56V.

So I made it home and I am now trying to determine if it is the alternator that has stopped working, and I was hoping to get some help validating that idea. What I've done so far is the following:
- checked and both positive wires are attached to the alternator (having trouble reaching the alternator to validate if there is voltage right at it).
- hit the boost button, and checked the voltage and that increased it to the same voltage as the house batteries.
- checked the connections by the batteries and they seem good, and measure the same voltage.

I can't find a fuse anywhere - but I have to believe there is one?

Any other ideas on how to validate that its the alternator?

Thanks,

Darryl

2 Replies

  • Remove the alt and take it someplace for testing.
    You could also have an internally shorted battery.
  • This Bulletin might be helpful


    Technical Service
    Bulletin
    Important: The information contained in this bulletin is intended for use by trained, professional technicians who have the proper tools, equipment, and training to perform
    the required maintenance described above. This information is NOT intended for ‘do-it-yourselfers’, and you should not assume that this information applies to your
    equipment. If you have any questions regarding this information please visit our website at www.prestolite.com, or contact our technical service department at:
    Leece-Neville Heavy Duty Systems
    400 Main Street
    Arcade, NY 14009
    Phone: (866) 288-9853
    Fax: (866) 288-9853
    webmail@prestolite.com
    Source: Leece-Neville Heavy Duty Systems Division -
    Arcade, NY USA
    Date: November 10, 2005
    Subject: On Vehicle Alternator Troubleshooting
    Bulletin No: TSB-1019
    Models: All 12 Volt Alternators
    Less than 12.4
    Volts.
    STOP
    Charge or replace
    batteries
    Note Voltage:
    Must be higher
    than
    12.4 Volts
    Voltage =
     Step 1: Visual Inspection. See Procedure 1.1. of TSB-1021
     Step 2: Battery State of charge: (Engine OFF) always remove surface charge
    from batteries. To do this either, attach a carbon pile and load the batteries at
    25% of the total CCA rating for 15 seconds or switch the headlamps on; select
    high beam for 2 to 3 minutes per battery, then switch off head lamps. Allow the
    batteries to recover for 30 seconds, then test the batteries true state of charge
    with a volt meter. When surface charge has been removed and battery voltage
    is found to be below 12.40 volts, charge or replace batteries before proceeding.
     Step 3: Battery voltage verification at alternator output terminals. Ensure
    that battery voltage is present when measured at the alternator positive (+)
    and negative (-) out put terminals. This should be inspected with the engine
    off and all electrical accessories in the off position. This voltage should be the
    same as battery voltage measured in the above step. If the volt meter indication
    is 1 volt less than battery voltage, complete individual cable voltage drop test
    on the positive and negative cables. Correct voltage drop before proceeding. Refer to Prestolite
    training manual or CD. Section 3:2 Alternator cable test for instructions to perform cable test.
     Step 4: Alternator voltage test. Connect the test leads of a volt meter to the alternator output
    terminals. Note: Most Leece Neville alternators have isolated ground rectification. Always
    connect tester / volt meter directly to the negative output terminal of alternator or your test
    will be inaccurate.
    • Start engine increase to high idle 1500 RPM: The volt meter should now indicate alternator
    out put voltage has increased to a range from 13.8 volts to 14.2 volts. (Ensure that all electrical
    accessories of the vehicle are in the off position.) “If” voltage increases but is out of range,
    Inspect to see if alternator has an adjustable regulator. If so: reduce engine speed to idle.
    “Adjust voltage to a setting of 14.0 volts”. If voltage is higher than 14.7 volts and cannot be
    adjusted below 14.25 volts, or if voltage is lower than 13.8 volts and cannot be adjusted into
    range; replace alternator.
    Technical Service
    Bulletin
    Bulletin No.: TSB-1019
    Page 2 of 2
    Important: The information contained in this bulletin is intended for use by trained, professional technicians who have the proper tools, equipment, and training to perform
    the required maintenance described above. This information is NOT intended for ‘do-it-yourselfers’, and you should not assume that this information applies to your
    equipment. If you have any questions regarding this information please visit our website at www.prestolite.com, or contact our technical service department at:
    Leece-Neville Heavy Duty Systems
    400 Main Street
    Arcade, NY 14009
    Phone: (866) 288-9853
    Fax: (866) 288-9853
    webmail@prestolite.com
    Note Voltage with
    load applied:
    Voltage =
    Subtract from
    above
    =
    If less than
    .50 Volt
    OK
    Note Voltage
    Increase:
    Must be 13.8 to
    14.2 volts.
    Voltage =
    Amperage Load Table
    Use load of Alt Rating
    40 Amp 65-90
    80 Amp 100-140
    120 Amp 160-175
    140 Amp 200-360
    • Inspect: If the alternator incorporates an ignition/”IGN” terminal
    this terminal must have battery voltage present above 12.4 volts. If
    not; inspect circuit for open and repair. Additionally if the alternator
    incorporates a DUVAC / Remote Sense “S” terminal inspect to see
    that this terminal also has voltage present 12.40 volts or above. If not
    inspect circuit for open and repair. If all is verified and alternator voltage
    has not increased or is out of range replace alternator. If within range go to
    Step 5.
     Step 5: Performance Test. Set engine speed to 1500 RPM.
    • With either a carbon pile or with truck accessories apply a current load
    equal to 75% of rated output capacity of the alternator and maintain load
    for 5 to 10 seconds. Test voltage after 10 seconds with a volt meter at the
    alternator output terminals.
    • Note voltage.
    If truck accessories are utilized for current loading this must be monitored
    with an inductive current device on the positive output cable of the
    alternator. (Note applying a load greater than 80% of rated output
    capacity of alternator will cause the test to be inaccurate.) The voltage
    should not decrease more than .50 volts if the alternator is in good
    working condition. If voltage drops more than .50 volts the alternator is considered to be
    defective.