AVIDA Esperance best selling Motorhome in Australia

pnichols wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
I do not know if your trolling for a manufacturer or you are an actual camper, starting to suspect the former.

(I won't dignify the above with a response.)

I take it that you're not able to make some actual ground clearance measurements on the AVIDA for us? :(

All I can get does not make sense, it has the same as the 4x4 Daily, it is based on the normal Van Chassis

RobertRyan wrote:
I do not know if your trolling for a manufacturer or you are an actual camper, starting to suspect the former.

(I won't dignify the above with a response.)

I take it that you're not able to make some actual ground clearance measurements on the AVIDA for us? :(

PNichols wrote:
Show me some off-road photos of where Australians take their non-expedition, everyday type, family rated, Class C motorhomes so I can see first hand how vastly superior they are to my typical, puny, everyday type, U.S. sourced, family rated, equivalent.

Guess what they go to similar same places, that is what both do. My and a lot of people's gripe here is with the Motorhome you are driving, they would not touch it with a barge poll, now matter how cheap it is,in the U.S. or Australia

I'll overlook your comments about where we go desert rockhounding, but your detrimental implication about where Sportsmobile/Quigley conversion vans could go to boondock camp would be real fighting words in certain forums .... better not post there.

I do not know if your trolling for a manufacturer or you are an actual camper, starting to suspect the former. The GCVWR of both the conversions is way too light for Expedition Vehicles, we have had this discussion before.
Way to light for an Expedition Vehicle

Quigley 4x4 Ford-based Van
Tech and Spec

Ford Econoline/Club Wagon

Model / Powertrain availability w/ GVW rating:
-- E-250 (E-24/S.24)with 5.4 liter Gasoline engine, 8,600 GVWR
-- E-350 (E-34 & 31 / S-34 & 31) with 5.4L, 6.8L V-10 Gasoline or 7.3L
Turbo-
Diesel engines, 8,700 through 9,500 GVWR.
All models available only with El

E350 Ground Clearance a tiny 7.3 inches

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2014/14_ESeries_Van_Cutaway_SB_Updates_093013.pdf

BODY DIMENSIONS (in inches) — E-150 Series Regular/Extended Van
Model
Wheelbase (in.) Code Description
A Door Opening Height at Floor
B Cargo Length Front (at Belt)
C Side Cargo Door Opening Width — Hinged/Sliding D Cargo Length at Front (at Floor)
E Load Height (Curb)
F Front Overhang
G Wheelbase
H Rear Overhang
J Engine Cover to Rear
K Cargo Width — Wheelhouses
M Overall Length (Curb)
N Overall Height (Curb)
O Rear Opening Width at Floor
P Rear Opening Height
Q Width at Floor (excluding wheelhouses) S Front Track (Curb)
S Rear Track (Curb)
T Vehicle Width (excluding mirrors)
U Minimum Running Ground Clearance
Regular
Extended
138 138
48.2 48.1 114.3 134.3
44.8/45.6
122.4 142.4 28.0 28.6
34.9 34.9 138.0 138.0 43.8 63.8 138.7 158.7 52.5 52.5 216.7 236.4 82.4 82.6 53.9 53.9 49.5 49.5 73.6 73.7 69.4 69.4 66.6 66.6 79.4 79.4 7.4 7.4
44.8/45.6

RobertRyan wrote:
Correct the AVIDA has much more ground clearance, than a E450 ,

OK Robert - let's quit talking around it and get to the facts. You go under the AVIDA and provide me your measurements, in inches, for: Rear axle to ground, front or rear differential low-point to ground, rear shock mounts to ground, frame distance to ground by the side entrance door, bottom of side wall distance to ground by the side entrance door, transmission pan to ground, and engine pan to ground ... and I'll do the same for the E450 chassis under our Class C.

Show me some off-road photos of where Australians take their non-expedition, everyday type, family rated, Class C motorhomes so I can see first hand how vastly superior they are to my typical, puny, everyday type, U.S. sourced, family rated, equivalent. Some of us might like to see honest photos indicating which truck chassis is better suited for where I take our RV versus where Australians are take theirs. No cheating now - weird ex-military looking motorhomes raised way up in the air and hard to get into unless one is young ... don't count.

RobertRyan wrote:
x4 Van what PNichols calls " Boondocking" is parking off a paved or graded dirt road for a few nights. Not really done here much in a basically road based Motohome,(exceptions of course)Yes people do drive on dirt roads a lot as well. Vastly different if you are in a local Expedition based unit., then the sky's the limit and they go places that a E450 based unit including a Sportsmobile/ Quigley version cannot go,

I'll overlook your comments about where we go desert rockhounding, but your detrimental implication about where Sportsmobile/Quigley conversion vans could go to boondock camp would be real fighting words in certain forums .... better not post there. ;)

Here's an example of a 2014 V10 E350 camper van on 35's where you best not tread:

Still people do take these things " Boondocking " in the sense that PNichols mentions, but not what we would call Off Road

nomad 289 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
Prices for Motorhomes in Australia are higher, related to general high prices of everything and high wages and salaries and smaller volumes sold. I said they were higher, prices are rapidly rising. Distribution of incomes nowhere as severe as in U.S.

If distribution of incomes is better, why are "smaller volumes sold"?

Maybe the price has overshot the average income, hence lower volume sales. Strange that $135K is the best selling MH.

Why smaller volumes, 320 million in the U.S., 24 million in Australia economies of scale

RobertRyan wrote:
Prices for Motorhomes in Australia are higher, related to general high prices of everything and high wages and salaries and smaller volumes sold. I said they were higher, prices are rapidly rising. Distribution of incomes nowhere as severe as in U.S.

If distribution of incomes is better, why are "smaller volumes sold"?

Maybe the price has overshot the average income, hence lower volume sales. Strange that $135K is the best selling MH.

4x4 Van what PNichols calls " Boondocking" is parking off a paved or graded dirt road for a few nights. Not really done here much in a basically road based Motohome,(exceptions of course)Yes people do drive on dirt roads a lot as well. Vastly different if you are in a local Expedition based unit., then the sky's the limit and they go places that a E450 based unit including a Sportsmobile/ Quigley version cannot go, lack of payload
I have ducked my head in some U.S. RV 's but I am 6ft and there is plenty of space in local RV's Motorhomes . Has to be otherwise the Motorhome would be " cramped" , goes against the airy feel

nomad 289 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
Prices for Motorhomes in Australia are higher, related to general high prices of everything and high wages and salaries and smaller volumes sold

Aussies pay 25% more and earn 5% more.
Income

I said they were higher, prices are rapidly rising. Distribution of incomes nowhere as severe as in U.S. The cheaper US Motorhomes are still not goers, even with a conversion

RobertRyan wrote:
Prices for Motorhomes in Australia are higher, related to general high prices of everything and high wages and salaries and smaller volumes sold

Aussies pay 25% more and earn 5% more.
Income