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jbsf639
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Mar 13, 2015

Bought an old Class C - Electrical question?

Hi all-
A friend of mine and I just bought an old 1978 Dodge Midas Class C motorhome to use on a property she just bought until the home is built. To be honest, the thing is a bit of a mess, but we're making good (but slow) progress on remodeling it. Neither of us has ever owned an RV before, so we are figuring it out as we go along.

Here is my question: The "aux" lights are powered by two 12 volt batteries wired in parallel. There is also a 120v cord that you can plug into shore power to power those lights, which seems pretty standard. There are also two switches: one in the front to totally shut off the aux system, which also seems pretty standard. The second switch lives in the compartment with the batteries, two circuit breakers, the inverter and a (nonfunctional) generator. We bought an external gas generator to plug into for now.

When the RV is driven, it seems like the alternator does a good job of charging the batteries. However, when plugged into the external generator/ shore power, the batteries don't seem to charge. Additionally, when connected to shore power and the switch next to the batteries is "off" the aux lights don't don't draw power from shorepower, but from the batteries (very dim but working). When the switch is moved to the on position, the place nights up like a Christmas tree and is clearly drawing power from the generator/ shore power.

So, now that I've done my best to give enough detail: Do any of you have thoughts as to why the batteries aren't charging when plugged in, but do from the alternator? Do you think the switch I mentioned has to remain in the "off" position to direct power to the batteries, and if so shouldn't the lights inside still be bright or does it just take a long time for the batteries to build up enough charge for that?

We are heading up to the property tomorrow, and I'm hoping to correct this issue. Thank you so much for any advice you might be able to provide! -J

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  • j-d's avatar
    j-d
    Explorer II
    Our 1984 Class C had a Converter/Charger called a Magnetek. When 120VAC was applied to it, two things happened:

    1. Loads like lights, fans, etc. were disconnected from battery and powered exclusively by Converter side of Converter/Charger

    2. A separate section of the Converter/Charger, a separate little Charger, charged the Battery. In ours, charging went through a little auto-reset circuit breaker. That little Breaker failed a couple times.

    When 120VAC went away, the relay that switched Load from Battery to Converter de-energized to let Load revert back to Battery. No charging took place.

    Note that the Refrigerator control system was hooked directly to the Battery.

    We had no additional switches. Generator power fed the coach by plugging the 120VAC cable into a socket powered by the generator.

    There WAS a device that allowed the chassis alternator to re-charge the battery on the road.

    What worries me is people have had 35 years to cob the original wiring.
  • Thanks Mich-
    You may be right that the batteries are the problem. However, to clarify, when the switch is off the lights are indeed dim when plugged into shore power and become bright when turned on. However, even with the switch on and plugged into shore power for hours the lights go nearly off when the shore power is disconnected - which leads me to believe that for some reason they aren't charging even with that switch on. The only reason I'm a bit questionable about the batteries being bad, is because they seem to charge just fine when we drive the RV. Honestly I was hoping that I was just ignorant and missing something obvious like the battery switch needed to be in a certain position to charge, but it seems like a bit of a deeper trouble shooting issue.

    I really appreciate everyone's help and if you have more thoughts I'd love to hear them! You've all given me a bunch of places to start! THANK YOU!
  • If I'm understanding this correctly, it sounds to me like your convertor is working and charging those batteries. Those interior lights are 12V and running off the batteries, not the 120V shore power. If you turn your battery switch off the batteries aren't being charged and your lights will stay dim (weak batteries -not getting charged?). Turning on the switch (as it should be when plugged into shore power or the generator), allows the batteries to be charged, resulting in brighter lights.
  • Rolling Condo -
    I have a funny feeling you're right that the converter is ok. I'm certainly going to check it, but I've also checked the voltage in the lights when we're plugged in, and they read 12V. The outlets on the other hand, read 120V - so we clearly have both types of power.

    I had the same thought about the batteries, but even then they seem to charge just fine from the alternator when it's driven, so I am at a loss. It's clearly not the original wiring, so God only knows what the person before has done back there. I'm going to check all of the things both you and donn0128 have mentioned to start eliminating possibilities.
  • This is really helpful, thank you! I can easily check the voltage tomorrow when we go up tomorrow. Another question then - what the heck is the switch down there all about? It seems odd to me that when it's off, the aux only draws from batteries, but when on it seems to draw from shore power. Is that normal?
  • You have or at least when new it had a CONverter. This device among other things charges the house battery. I suspect the converter is dead. To check it, plug the RV into shore power, disconnect the two battery cables from the battery and measure the voltage across them. From the converter you should read around 13.6VDC.
  • Best guess is that the converter which keeps the batteries charged has issues. If you are handy enough with a multimeter check the voltage on the batteries with it disconnected from a 120V A/c source and then with it plugged in. If there is no change is voltage level when it is plugged in then start checking the converter out. Check 120V A/C source voltage into the converter and check the 12V D/C out of the converter. Could be fuse(s) or breaker or poor wire connections short of the converter being bad.
    On edit after rereading your post have your batteries checked. Sounds like the converter; s working but the batteries are weak.