Carburetor Faceplate problem

Wrong gasket and that's a heat riser

Ford made two 351-CID engines. The Windsor (351W) was a small block, common to the 302. There was also a 351 Cleveland (351C) that some folks called "351/400" and I don't know how many parts were common to both. I might well work out, for example, that the Intake Manifolds wouldn't interchange but perhaps those EGR Spacer Plates would. Just understand that there were TWO 351 engines, at least in some years, and something from "a 351" will fit "your 351."

tatest wrote:
Missing the EGR spacer? That much exhaust gas erosion, maybe somebody pulled the spacer (and the rest of the emissions control stuff?) and bolted the carb back on. Not normally done, the heat will shorten the useful life of the carb and might cause an assortment of running problems related to overheating the fuel.

For many of these installations, speed shops will carry a blank spacer to replace the EGR piece. I've even seen insulating spacers, to help keep the gas in the float bowl cool. But I don't know whether you might find such a part for a 2-barrel 351W, usually anyone hot-rodding a 351 has found a 4-barrel intake manifold.

That's exactly what happened. I don't know why but there you go.
I am making my spouse join the forum. This is getting way over my pretty little head.
We also purchased Chilton's repair guide online for the year and make.

Mich F wrote:
Let me state the obvious that perhaps that missing part is salvageable from the old carburetor ?

While this would be the obvious, this part wasn't in the old carburetor. That's right, the dumby before us installed it wrong.

Missing the EGR spacer? That much exhaust gas erosion, maybe somebody pulled the spacer (and the rest of the emissions control stuff?) and bolted the carb back on. Not normally done, the heat will shorten the useful life of the carb and might cause an assortment of running problems related to overheating the fuel.

For many of these installations, speed shops will carry a blank spacer to replace the EGR piece. I've even seen insulating spacers, to help keep the gas in the float bowl cool. But I don't know whether you might find such a part for a 2-barrel 351W, usually anyone hot-rodding a 351 has found a 4-barrel intake manifold.

That's the plate our Four-Barrel 460 had. The OP's coach apparently has the Two-Barrel 351.

But YES, that is the equivalent missing part. Might be this one:

eBay Link

This was my eBay Search Term

FORD CARB EGR SPACER PLATE 351W

It also turned up some plates without EGR valve ports. One of those might adapt the carb to the intake without reinstalling EGR (or buying an EGR bypass plate, also turned up by the search).

Wonder if this is the "missing piece of the puzzle":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/73-78-FORD-CARB-EGR-SPACER-PLATE-VALVE-429-460-4V-FORD-LINCOLN-MERC-74-75-76-77-/261275029421

Let me state the obvious that perhaps that missing part is salvageable from the old carburetor ?

Let me get hubby on this after work. We're getting way out of my depth here 'cause I'm just the wife :B.
This helps an awful lot, folks. Really appreciate it. Missing parts in the stack makes a lot of sense.

K C,

That's what I was thinking. Wish I still had my Haynes Ford Van Manual from those years.

But, according to AutoZone's parts lookup... If it's a 2-Barrel, it's a 351 "Windsor" Small Block, 2-bbl, found in about 30% of the 1978 E350 Vans.



AND... These are their related Notes:
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Carburetor to spacer, spacer to manifold. Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) included. Set.
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This is the "stack" of parts I noted in my post above. I ended up with ours apart because the engine had a vacuum leak that a carb gasket wouldn't cure. I found that the "Spacer" had rusted to the studs at the holes. When I finally got it apart, I found the Spacer-to-Manifold gasket had blown out. Ran much better with new gaskets AND the stud holes freed up. Before, tightening the stud nuts only tightened Carb to Spacer, not Spacer to Manifold...

So, if the Carb Gasket in Part Number: ES70582 fits the Carb Throttle Plate surface, and the EGR "Spacer" gasket fits the Manifold surface, they have the right Carb and Gasket Set. Only problem is that Missing "Spacer" which held the EGR Valve.

The Carb gasket, which OP already has, is available separately as 60716. The Spacer gasket is also available separately as 60244. And the EGR Gasket's available separately. The three prices add up to about the price of the Set.

Hopefully, the Spacer might be available in a junkyard, but it's been a long time...