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mikemc53
Explorer II
Aug 10, 2016

Dinghy??

OK, we are not sure exactly what direction to take but we are thinking of getting a toad. Here is a little background and some issues going forward.

1993 Firan Telstar that we recently purchased. Unit has 54K miles (maybe 56 can't recall without walking outside) and is a 27ft Class C on a Ford E350 chassis with the 460CI engine and, I believe, the 4:10 rear end. Anyway, as I read the manual and owner information it is set up to tow and is rated at 5000lb max. The RV came with a Blue Ox tow bar (BX7335) so I would most likely stay with Blue Ox when I get the rest of what is needed - not sure what everything is called but I know that I would need the unit that actually attaches to the front end of the car.

A little of what I know that the previous owner did - and it gives me a bit of pause, by the way. The receiver that is on the RV is a Class I but the previous owner used to tow a Jeep Renegade...Yikes! Way over the receiver capacity. Also, I believe that there was no auxiliary brake set up either. He included the tow bar and a set of magnetic brake lights so I really do think he did not have auxiliary brakes. He used this set up to tow from Michigan to Alaska and back. This, again, is just background.

Now for us. The wife and I are very partial to Jeeps and probably will go with a used Liberty (maybe a Saturn Vue). This is putting us around 4000lbs, give or take. That, to me, is pretty much the limit that this older RV would do. Now, if we do go with something like this, what else do I need and what kind of expense am I looking at? Obviously I need at least a Class III receiver and whatever hooks to the front end of the toad. I know nothing of auxiliary braking setups or what they might cost.

Any thoughts or comments are welcome. From what equipment I might need all the way to opinions on whether I should tow with this unit or not...I am looking for opinions of all sorts.

Thanks gang.
  • A '93 E350 dually chassis with a 460 likely has an E4OD 4 speed auto.

    The 460 with 4.10 gears is ok in a pickup or van but will likely be underpowered in a 27' motorhome towing a 4000+ lb toad.

    I would change the axle gears to 5.13. The axle should be a Dana 70 in that chassis.

    The E4OD has overdrive and the gas engine needs rpm's to reach it's powerband, so you'll be fine to cruise on the highway at normal speeds with 5.13's.

    A gear change typically costs about $750 in a 2wd truck/van.

    A class I hitch is a basic draw bar, no receiver tube, no ball height adjustment. Replace it with a class III/IV hitch with 2" receiver tube, so you can set the height of your tow bar to match your toad height.
  • Almost every Jeep Liberty is set for four down towing and some of the Grands are OK with it but it is dependent upon the transfer case in the vehicle.

    Why would anyone put a Class1 hitch on a vehicle rated for 5000# ?
    Are you sure it's a class 1 ? That was my question, exactly. The marking is still on the receiver and it clearly states: 200 lb tongue weight and 2000 lob tow weight, max.

    It seems like, if I do go with a dinghy, that I am still leaning toward a Liberty and I can do a Ready Brake myself. I will obviously need to upgrade the receiver and get the proper base plate, after I choose the toad.

    I will keep everyone posted as I go. I do tend to change my mind on occasion so, still not certain what I will do.

    Thanks gang.
  • The last Jeep Liberty I checked could NOT for towed four down. Check FMCA charts, and owners manual.
  • Ready brake since you already have a tow bar, a little over $500 and if your at all handy you can install yourself. No big electronic junk and one cable is all you need to hookup and unhook, plus there is no unit to install and uninstall in the drivers area. You will need a baseplate either way so thats a wash. If again your handy you can install it yourself.

    LEN
  • Get a transmission cooler installed, a transmission temperature gauge installed, and a deep aluminum pan for the transmission installed. Use a good quality synthetic transmission fluid compatible with the owners manual specs.

    This is probably an AOD transmission and they have a drain plug in the converter, change ALL of the fluid when you do it.

    This will go a long way toward preserving the transmission and extending its life. Cooler is better.

    Charles
    2007 Winnebago View 523H on a 2006 Dodge (Daimler-Chrysler aka Mercedes) Sprinter 3500 chassis. Bought Sept 2015 with 18K miles on it, Prog Ind HW30C, Prog Dymanics PD4645, Chill Grille, PML/Yourcovers.com deep alum trans pan, AutoMeter 8558 trans temp gauge, Roadmaster sway bar, Fantastic Ultra Breeze hood, added OEM parabolic mirrors and RH aspherical mirror.
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    bukhrn
    Explorer III
    Why would anyone put a Class1 hitch on a vehicle rated for 5000# ?
    Are you sure it's a class 1 ?
  • my 2005 vue can be towed. I think those with Honda trannys can be.
    bumpy
  • All Vue's 2008 to 2010 can be towed 4 down. Older models only some engine transmission can be towed. But a Vue is a long way from a Jeep Wrangler or Liberty.
  • Off the top of my head, double check owner's manuals to make sure that your toad can be towed 4 wheels down. I am not sure that the Vue will, unless it is manual tranny. A lot of cars cannot be towed in this manner.
  • I estimate about $2500 to have base plate installed and a brake system.
    Call me if you wish.