Hi all!I am thinking of purchasing a 2017 bounder 33c or the Allegro 31sa. after looking at all the specs, I am still not sure if Fleetwood puts double pane windows in their rv. Allegro says it installs 1/4 inch windows. Does anyone know what type of windows Fleetwood installs?

Just my 2 cents on double pane windows. We camp year 'round and in cold weather, double pane makes a huge difference in condensation (motorhomes are so closed up humidity goes up and a cold window will condense water or frost over). People who store their RVs all winter (and there are many) won't see any real advantage to double pane but will have to deal with the issue of eventually resealing them. Your preferred way of camping should dictate your window choice. I would think if they say 1/4 inch, that is going to be single pane. If you see tilt out windows, that's single. All double pane I have seen have been sliders.

I really like the Tiffins. They make a great coach and the Allegro 31sa is a very nice RV. Bounders are okay to me, but Allegro I've always seen as underrated. Allegro reminds me of a coach that is budget minded (like bounder) yet is really pretty good quality (Bounder is OK too). Go through each coach very well. Look at how stuff is fastened to the walls and detailed construction. I think it will help you - AND you are also doing a great research job going into window details. :) Proud to see this.

garyemunson wrote:Just my 2 cents on double pane windows. We camp year 'round and in cold weather, double pane makes a huge difference in condensation (motorhomes are so closed up humidity goes up and a cold window will condense water or frost over). People who store their RVs all winter (and there are many) won't see any real advantage to double pane but will have to deal with the issue of eventually resealing them. Your preferred way of camping should dictate your window choice. I would think if they say 1/4 inch, that is going to be single pane. If you see tilt out windows, that's single. All double pane I have seen have been sliders.!/4" is the typical thickness of the spacer between the 2 panes of glass in a slider double pane window. Our MH also has tilt out windows in the bedroom that are also thermo pane or double pane. They have a smaller spacer, don't remember for sure but either 3/16" or 1/8". If the tilt out window sits on the outside of the frame then it's going to be single pane. If it sits done inside the frame when closed then it could be double pane. We had a Fleetwood Bounder and it had double pane windows, can't say for sure that Fleetwood uses double panes in all their MHs.

Do they manufacture double pane low E windows for motor homes? Are they quite a bit more expensive than single pane non low E?

Hank MI wrote:garyemunson wrote:Just my 2 cents on double pane windows. We camp year 'round and in cold weather, double pane makes a huge difference in condensation (motorhomes are so closed up humidity goes up and a cold window will condense water or frost over). People who store their RVs all winter (and there are many) won't see any real advantage to double pane but will have to deal with the issue of eventually resealing them. Your preferred way of camping should dictate your window choice. I would think if they say 1/4 inch, that is going to be single pane. If you see tilt out windows, that's single. All double pane I have seen have been sliders.!/4" is the typical thickness of the spacer between the 2 panes of glass in a slider double pane window. Our MH also has tilt out windows in the bedroom that are also thermo pane or double pane. They have a smaller spacer, don't remember for sure but either 3/16" or 1/8". If the tilt out window sits on the outside of the frame then it's going to be single pane. If it sits done inside the frame when closed then it could be double pane. We had a Fleetwood Bounder and it had double pane windows, can't say for sure that Fleetwood uses double panes in all their MHs.I believe the 1/4" he's speaking of is the glass thickness, not a space between panes. My parents Allegro had that. With that said, we've had single pane and double pane windows. For me I wouldn't consider single panes ever again. It would be a deal breaker.

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the_trippers
Explorer
Mar 10, 2017
Thanks for all the help.
Found the 'Dual Pane' description in the Bounder brochure and the 1/4" window description in the Allegro brochure.

Seems like the dual panes would be quieter with 2 1/8th inch panes with air space, but could, and will eventually, leak moisture. The 1/4" must be almost bullet proof, no leaking, but not as quiet, and need to be extra secure in their frames to not fall out.

Now plan to go look again to compare windows and other stuff.
barmcd
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
The side windows in my Monaco are 7/16 inch thick. The air space between is 3/16 so I guess each glass is 2/16" or 1/8" thick. I am in the process of rebuilding the drivers side sliding window because it has condensation between the panes.
Jim
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
I should add that a tiny leak is no big deal. A big leak can allow fogging and condensation to take place between the panes. Some even end up with streaking that won't wash off. And that is a pain. Hah.
Floridastorm
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
Jim@HiTek wrote:
Floridastorm wrote:
Double pane windows are fine. But, as with house windows especially in the sunbelt states, Low E is very important. That is where Argon Gas is located in between the panes and stops the majority of the heat entering due to the extreme sun. I am wondering if double pane Low E windows are made for RV's?

Not that I'm aware of. Problem with that idea is that the gas would quickly leak out as an RV is a house getting banged around while driving. The windows would leak because of the racking that goes on almost continuously while on the road. I imagine all the gas would be gone within a few weeks. Double paned windows don't really need to be fully sealed to do a good job, they just need a dead air space to accomplish their purpose. So a leak or two in a common RV type dbl paned window is no big deal.

Hmmmmm. Never thought of that. Makes sense.
Jim
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
Floridastorm wrote:
Double pane windows are fine. But, as with house windows especially in the sunbelt states, Low E is very important. That is where Argon Gas is located in between the panes and stops the majority of the heat entering due to the extreme sun. I am wondering if double pane Low E windows are made for RV's?

Not that I'm aware of. Problem with that idea is that the gas would quickly leak out as an RV is a house getting banged around while driving. The windows would leak because of the racking that goes on almost continuously while on the road. I imagine all the gas would be gone within a few weeks. Double paned windows don't really need to be fully sealed to do a good job, they just need a dead air space to accomplish their purpose. So a leak or two in a common RV type dbl paned window is no big deal.
Floridastorm
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
Double pane windows are fine. But, as with house windows especially in the sunbelt states, Low E is very important. That is where Argon Gas is located in between the panes and stops the majority of the heat entering due to the extreme sun. I am wondering if double pane Low E windows are made for RV's?
Hank_MI
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
The Bounder we had had double pane windows up front, driver and passenger windows. Of course the windshield was single pane. In our Winnebago the passenger window is double pane. The driver's window is a power window that goes down into the door, it's single pane and of course so is the windshield.
Mile_High
Explorer
Mar 08, 2017
Just know that the double pane ends at the cab. My windshield and side windows in the cab are standard automotive glass, unlike a trailer that may have double pane throughout.

Double pane are great for noise reduction, minimizing interior frosting, and some thermal credit, but the noise reduction is awesome for us, don't care about the rest.
DSDP_Don
Explorer
Mar 07, 2017
"the trippers".....Yes...it comes with tinted dual pane windows. I had the brochure and the quote from the brochure typed up on here last night, but RV.NET went down and it was lost.

If you look at the 2017 Bounder 33C online brochure, page 5, under Exterior, the last standard item on the list, just before "Options" shows that they come with tinted dual pane.
Hank_MI
Explorer
Mar 07, 2017
Bruce Brown wrote:
I believe the 1/4" he's speaking of is the glass thickness, not a space between panes. My parents Allegro had that.

With that said, we've had single pane and double pane windows. For me I wouldn't consider single panes ever again. It would be a deal breaker.

Okay, never seen 1/4" thick glass in an RV, that's a really thick pane of glass.