Enough Horsepower?

I have the Ford V10 E450 and it has a lot of power for my Winnebago 29B 2002. Great engine and chassis.

mlts22 wrote:
If you are wanting to go for extreme horsepower, Banks Power has a "double-shot" water/methanol kit for the Ford V-10, which pretty much does the same thing as nitrus, adding 150-200 horsepower without tuning.

Definitely not something to do if a vehicle is under warranty, and I've not read about how this affects the life of a V-10 long term (and I doubt it doesn't help things). However, if one feels the Ford V-10 isn't up for the job, this is a solution. Of course, how the transmission and drivetrain can take the added torque/HP without grenading is another question.

I very highly doubt that water/methanol injection would yield anywhere near 150-200 horsepower on the naturally aspirated Ford V10. It's far more effective and useful with turbocharged engines, where it serves to cool the intake air and reduce detonation, both of which allow/enable more air to be used and hence more fuel burned and more power generated. On the V10, I would guess that there's at best minor gains, some of which could also be had by using a higher octane gas (as that also resists detonation).

Adding a turbo to the V10 with water injection would, of course, yield a large increase in power...at least for awhile. You could also end up with a pile of engine or transmission guts on the roadway if your luck runs out and you push things too far.

If you are wanting to go for extreme horsepower, Banks Power has a "double-shot" water/methanol kit for the Ford V-10, which pretty much does the same thing as nitrus, adding 150-200 horsepower without tuning.

Definitely not something to do if a vehicle is under warranty, and I've not read about how this affects the life of a V-10 long term (and I doubt it doesn't help things). However, if one feels the Ford V-10 isn't up for the job, this is a solution. Of course, how the transmission and drivetrain can take the added torque/HP without grenading is another question.

SRockwood wrote:
HP and torque are related. To get HP, you take torque and multiply it by RPM, then divide by 5250. More torque? More horsepower.

And more to the point ... you can merely use the rules of math for manipulating the above equation to see that to get torque showing by itself on the left side of the equation, HP winds up on the right side of the equation and must be directly increased to get an increase in torque.

My apologies to the OP.... After Googling the Winne web site it shows that the 24' Winne/Itasca models are on a Sprinter chassis and the 29' Aspect/Cambria are on at 29' Ford w/ the V10.

(DUHHHHH!!! I should'a checked the facts! before typing.....)

So the choice isn't between Sprinter or Ford.... its between 24' or 29'...... With 24' you get a Mercedes... 29' you get a Ford. Or, the reverse... with a Merc you get 24'.... a Ford 29'.

Again, you test drive them all and choose the floor plan that fits your needs. (Hint: Buy what Momma likes, wants and can drive ..... following the adage that 'if Momma ain't happy; no one will be happy' and it won't matter if its a Ford or Merc. You smile and pay the bills....)

Old Crows wrote:

PurpleHayes wrote:
Engine options on a 24' Winnebago or Itasca are the Ford V8 350, at 255 HP and the diesel 3.0 L, 188 HP engine. Any suggestions about the choices?

HP ratings are fanciful. Torque moves the world. The question then is how much torque & the duration the engine produces its highest torque. While the Ford has more its at 4500 rpm. Do you always want to drive at a gas eating 4500 RPM? OTH, the MB 3 L turbo diesel doesnt have a "peak".. It has a "mesa"... ~1200 to 4000ish rpm ... 325 ftlbs across the range. It's coupled to a nice 5 speed automatic transmission (can be manually shifted by nudging the shifter).

(Don't bypass the MB 4 cylinder twin turbo with the 7 speed....)

Our 10K+ lb View will cruise 2400 rpm @ 65ish. If you need more power you put the wood to it and open the turbo. It doesn't regularly down shift and flail the engine. It just quietly hunkers down and lays on the power.

I'd suggest taking one of each out on a longish drive and see what best suits yor needs.

While I grant you that diesel V6 is quiet and efficient, you should stick to facts and the strengths of your engine (efficiency and noise). HP and torque are related. To get HP, you take torque and multiply it by RPM, then divide by 5250. More torque? More horsepower.

The Ford V10 makes more torque at every RPM than the Sprinter V6 does. While peak torque may happen at 3250rpm, it's got more than 80% (roughly 340-ish) of this available off idle.

Is the V10 fuel efficient? Not really. Is it refined? Not so much (though it is extremely smooth due to all those cylinders spreading the torque out). My 14000lb Class C V10 with 3-4000lbs behind it moves along at ~2400rpm at 65mph as well. If I want to go faster, I put my foot to the wood and let 6.8L of displacement lay on the power just like you. Hell, on moderate grades (3-4%?) on the country roads I live off of, it'll still pull 5th at 2000rpm.

Yes torque moves the world but the MB lacks both torque and HP when compared to the V-10. My 2011 V-10 makes max torque (420#), at 3,250 rpm, Not at 4,500. The V-10 makes its max HP of 305 at 4,250 rpm.

It will pull our E-350 fully loaded, with the 960# bike/trailer, up just about any 6% grade in 4th turning around 3,000. The MB cannot touch the V-10 for torque or HP. If you are going to run heavy, near your GVWR and or tow anything get the V-10 or a Chevy V-8.

:C

PurpleHayes wrote:
Engine options on a 24' Winnebago or Itasca are the Ford V8 350, at 255 HP and the diesel 3.0 L, 188 HP engine. Any suggestions about the choices?

HP ratings are fanciful. Torque moves the world. The question then is how much torque & the duration the engine produces its highest torque. While the Ford has more its at 4500 rpm. Do you always want to drive at a gas eating 4500 RPM? OTH, the MB 3 L turbo diesel doesnt have a "peak".. It has a "mesa"... ~1200 to 4000ish rpm ... 325 ftlbs across the range. It's coupled to a nice 5 speed automatic transmission (can be manually shifted by nudging the shifter).

(Don't bypass the MB 4 cylinder twin turbo with the 7 speed....)

Our 10K+ lb View will cruise 2400 rpm @ 65ish. If you need more power you put the wood to it and open the turbo. It doesn't regularly down shift and flail the engine. It just quietly hunkers down and lays on the power.

I'd suggest taking one of each out on a longish drive and see what best suits yor needs.

PurpleHayes wrote:
Engine options on a 24' Winnebago or Itasca are the Ford V8 350, at 255 HP and the diesel 3.0 L, 188 HP engine. Any suggestions about the choices?

What are you trying to compare ? To the best of my knowledge Winnebago/Itasca don't offer a choice of a Ford or MB on the same model MH. It's one or the other on different models. You really can't compare them since the models are so different from each other.

Stay with Ford E450 Superduty. My Class C Winnebago, 13 years old, runs great with this engine. Change the oil and use the RV often. What a great engine and chassis.