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futureboy
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Oct 10, 2015

Fully electric RV, diesel generator, RV of the future?

Hey everyone, I've been thinking a lot about the design of RVs as we shift towards a more electric world. Battery capacity and cost is not yet acceptable to build a _fully_ electric RV, but I was thinking it would be possible to build a mostly electric RV with a diesel generator to provide power directly to the electric motor.

Here's my idea:

* Class A motorhome, solar panels on the roof, some form of battery stack inside, probably COTS like the Tesla Energy power wall.
* Electric motors rather than a diesel engine. This would save a lot of space and maintenance costs alone, as anyone who has owned an electric car knows.
* But since we can't affordably and reliably store enough power in a battery stack, we have a diesel generator that simply provides power directly to the electric motor WHEN in transit.
* All electric systems would be monitored by a centralized computer that can shut down certain systems (such as that blender someone turned on, or AC) when power levels are low.
* LED lights, smart locks, tankless water heater, etc the usual stuff we are seeing in modern homes these days, just in an RV.

In a camping mode, then, the RV would run entirely on stored electric power with solar providing additional power. In transit, the diesel generator would turn on and provide power to the motors. Additionally, the diesel could be used as a supplemental source of power in camping mode if the batteries did not have enough.

Basically I want to build my own spaceship, but on land, and without some massive diesel engine that has a thousand moving parts.

Does anybody out there do this? It seems most RVs are designed for retirees who want to dump a lot of money for shorter term comforts, but very few RVs seem to be designed for long-term living, which is exactly what I want to do. Sadly as you can tell from my prose above, I'm not an electrical/mechanical guy, so much of the detail escapes me. I am a computer guy, however, so the software component is relatively easy, not to mention very exciting.

With the rising cost of living in the US, combined with an interest in mobility, the idea of buying some cheap plot of land out in the sticks but living on an RV full time is quite compelling. But I want a smarter RV.

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  • * But since we can't affordably and reliably store enough power in a battery stack, we have a diesel generator that simply provides power directly to the electric motor WHEN in transit.


    This is in essence a diesel locomotive. We all know trains move freight much more efficiently than any other mode of transport. Trains can move a ton (2000 lbs) of freight 480 miles on 1 (one) gallon of fuel. That can be translated a lot of MPG's....

    http://www.csx.com/index.cfm/about-csx/projects-and-partnerships/fuel-efficiency/

    When technology allows small enough units to efficiently drive different sized units this will work well. No more parasitic losses through the transmission (and/or transfer cases, etc). Computers will be able to match wheel RPMs, monitor for slippage and instantly correct, etc. There will be no gear shifts, drive shafts and other components that add weight, which will of course be offset by the weight of the power generation units and individual drives at the wheels (or a hybrid using drives at the axle location).

    This will be a revolution in propulsion such as the front wheel drive cars were.
  • Fishinghat wrote:
    We've seen all electric Class A's at RV shows. They have eight house batteries, a household type frig, etc. I'm assuming they had solar panels on the roof, but I don't recall. Obviously, it isn't the ideal rig for boondocking, but at 45 ft and a price of over $500K, the owners probably wouldn't want to do much dry camping anyway.


    There are plenty of boondockers out there with full electric motorhomes. It's very doable if you plan everything right.

    Boondocking is a chance to get away from everything and to enjoy the nice quiet surroundings - many times overlooking a lovely river or lake. We saw boondockers with all kinds of RVs out there and yes, even all electric ones. :)
  • @MrWizard so I suppose the ideal solution would be to basically wait for a world where the cost/KWH of a Tesla battery drops to economical levels, and/or storage capacity rises to sufficient levels, for an RV that runs 100% on electric power. There might be a tiny diesel generator for backup power in boondocking mode, but the rig would be entirely electric otherwise. Thus, in this scenario, we can ditch almost all moving parts and use up that freed volume with more and more batteries (obviously placed along the platform).

    Almost half the cost of a Tesla car goes to its battery, but hopefully some of the breakthroughs in battery technology might free us of internal combustion at some point.
  • even IF you put large electric motors on the wheels

    it will take the same horse power equivalent to move the RV, so you still have the same Large diesel engine, now driving a LARGE generator head, instead of a transmission
    you have to generate the same amount of power to move it as before when it was driving the wheels directly, you are still moving the same weight, maybe more
  • What vendors make all electric RVs? I see a few google mentions but can't actually find a solid link to one. Wouldn't an all electric be completely ideal for boondocking? My only concern is propulsion, that's where the battery would get drained pretty fast. If the cost of Tesla batteries were a fraction of the current price and/or provided 2-4x capacity, it becomes much more compelling to keep a tiny diesel generator as a backup option, but rely entirely on the battery bank for both propulsion and boondocking. A properly designed RV with solar covering the roof should be able to generate a fair amount of power, and there are always the electric charging stations along the way.

    Just how cool would it be to have the option to boondock for a week or two, drive on to wherever your next destination may be, and still not have to refill the tank? Or even charge up your tiny electric towed car from the main batteries of the RV?

    There are so many great things that can be done. But yeah cost is the big issue... RVs won't become commonplace for full-time living until their costs drop significantly. $500K isn't much to buy a house in NYC, DC or San Francisco, but out in the sticks that's a nice big home.
  • We've seen all electric Class A's at RV shows. They have eight house batteries, a household type frig, etc. I'm assuming they had solar panels on the roof, but I don't recall. Obviously, it isn't the ideal rig for boondocking, but at 45 ft and a price of over $500K, the owners probably wouldn't want to do much dry camping anyway.

    As for propulsion, a very large diesel is the only good alternative. A quiet diesel generator would keep the batteries charged up.