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- PawPaw_n_GramExplorerI don't believe the IIHS does safety ratings/ crash testing for motorhomes, or heavy trucks.
Potential issues - rollover protection is really very good compared to a car. Bigger rigs, especially based on bus conversions, are better. Rollovers in motorhomes are relatively rare.
Seats and seatbelts for the driver and right side passenger meet federal guidelines. Seats and seatbelts for other passengers meet federal guidelines - but those seats often have the passenger sitting sideways to the direction of travel. Not the best position for a sudden stop crash.
A bigger issue for motorhomes is the passenger can often get up and go to the bathroom, get a drink from the fridge, or make sandwiches while the coach is moving. If there is a sudden stop - that person becomes a flying missile and can be badly injured when they hit something solid and stop. - Old-BiscuitExplorer III
- tatestExplorer IIYou will not find them anywhere. Nobody officially crash tests and rates motorhomes, not even class C.
NHTSA catalogs tests for passenger vans (e.g. Ram Van, Ford's E-series, GM's G-series and Express) but these are not so relevant to motorhomes which have lots of equipment and fixtures that can come loose in that fragile box.
You'll find tests of vans within a year or two of major design changes, so not as often as cars are tested. Chevy Express is almost twenty years old, the Econoline/E-series used 1992 design for 25 years before making changes to the front end in 2007/8. Last test I've found for E-series was 2005 model. - path1ExplorerThis might help...
Old article but little has changed. I saved because of an earlier article about a driver pinned after a cabinet and frame work came loose going down the road and driver couldn't get his leg up to step on brake, hit another car resulting in several deaths along with his own. I like metal in front of me hence class C.
Updated: 1:37 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 22, 2009 | Posted: 11:34 a.m. Friday, April 25, 2008
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/rv-crash-deaths-under-investigation/nDrSW/
RV Crash Deaths Under Investigation
Lack Of Crash Tests For Luxury Motor Homes Blamed
Braking problems, collapsing walls and poorly secured cabinets: These are the RV industry's deadliest secrets.
We know because KIRO Team 7 Investigators just spent months analyzing hundreds of fatal luxury motor home crashes both nationwide and here in the Pacific Northwest.
Investigative Reporter Chris Halsne exposes how some loose safety standards are turning fun, family camping outings into trips to the morgue.
Federal law requires crash and rollover tests for cars, SUVs, semi-trucks and even charter buses. In fact, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration just conducted a new series of bus tests last month. The explosion of glass and crunch of metal are tools that guide new safety improvement.
Why, then, did KIRO Team 7 Investigators discover some of the biggest, most expensive motor homes on the road are exempt?
Peggy and Richard Young loved to camp in their 28-foot motor home, often taking their dog Mitzy to favorite spots along Washington's beach-front state parks.
On the way home one day in 2005, Richard took the corner of a highway onramp a little fast and tipped the RV over. It crumpled--trapping him inside.
Halsne: "We're looking at structural integrity. It looks to me ..."
Peggy Young: "It was a mess wasn't it?"
Halsne: "That the roof just didn't hold up."
Peggy Young: "No! All it is, is fiberglass. These motor homes are only fiberglass. They had the wood framing, you know, thin wood framing, but they're just fiberglass. There's nothing there to keep anything like this from happening."
Richard came out of the low-speed flip-and-roll with a brain bleed. He died 11 days later. Peggy just couldn't believe how easily their Class A RV fell apart and still wonders if a few simple safety standards could have saved his life.
Peggy Young: "They have some incredibly strong materials now, very high-tech and I don't see why they couldn't put in some kind of reinforcement that goes across and around?"
KIRO Team 7 Investigators used a computer to analyze two federal databases filled with more than 5,000 RV accident, safety and mechanical deficiency reports. Summaries like:
"VEHICLE WAS COMING AROUND A CURVE AND THE BRAKES FAILED"
"2 DEAD -- HIT TREE AT A SLOW RATE OF SPEED, 34 MPH. THE OCCUPANT COMPARTMENT DISINTEGRATED"
and
"RV DISINTEGRATED AND ONLY THE CHASSIS REMAINED"
made the Class A motor home stand out -- and not in a good way.
Class A's are defined by their flat-nose front, open seating and tremendous length.
JD Gallant has been called the Ralph Nader of motor homes. He has investigated countless fatal RV crashes and authors a top-selling RV consumer buying guide. He has strong opinions regarding the safety of the Class A.
“You need to realize that when you drive a Class A motor home, in case of an accident, you've increased greatly your risk of death, the driver and the passenger,” said Gallant.
He says the government should start mandating front-end crash tests and stronger rollover protections if we want people to stop dying in these massive machines.
"We know from accidents, Chris, what's happening. The industry isn't into studying Class A accidents. They just aren't into it. If they did, if RVIA (Recreation Vehicle Industry Association) would study Class A accidents, every Class A accident, put them up on the wall and study these Class A accidents, and say 'oh we've got to make improvement here.' They could do it. And they'd reduce the deaths by 80 to 90 percent,” said Gallant.
We called numerous RV manufacturers to respond to this investigation. Only one took us up on our offer: Western RV in Yakima, the maker of the $250,000 Alpine Coach.
Vice President Burk Morgan says his company sells safety.
He adds that the government requires front-end crash and brake tests for the empty chassis only. Once all those studs and sidewalls and TVs get installed, it's up to each manufacturer to decide how best to hold parts together in a crash. Our data shows the Alpine Coach design does hold up exceptionally well.
Morgan says there’s a reason for that.
"The entire roof and walls are solid structures. They're all aircraft-quality aluminum tub-welded frame with polystyrene block insulation that's bonded together to create a solid structure,” said Morgan.
Consumers might not yet be ready to pay extra for those safety features, as two weeks after we shot the interview, Western RV closed its doors.
Automotive safety engineer Keith Friedman of Friedman Research Corporation says the costs of added safety measures are the real reason many RV makers are still choosing to use antiquated construction techniques.
"Put a steel platform out there. Put some wood on it and start nailing wood two-by-fours to it or screwing on some aluminum studs. Those things are not going to carry the loads when you rollover. The platform is going to sit there and the stuff you attached on top is just going to fall over," said Friedman.
Lifelong RV owner John Sandstrom isn't going to let that happen to him.
"It's big. It weighs a lot. You can easily get yourself in trouble, whether maneuvering in a parking lot or changing lanes on the freeway, you have to be aware of what's going on 360 degrees around you," said Sandstrom.
Sandstrom recently paid top dollar for custom-designed safety features including a third set of wheels for stability, steel rollcage ribbing and a bulkhead behind his seat that prevents flying objects from hitting drivers if a crash does occur. That's something that the families of several dead RV drivers tell us they dearly wish was standard.
The Recreation Vehicle Industry Association had this to say about our research:
"NHTSA (The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) hasn't crash tested finished motor homes because they are fundamentally safe-- there simply haven't been enough deaths to warrant the cost of purchasing and testing these types of vehicles." - jorbill2orExplorer IISafety ratings involve crash testing several sample units.. No manufacturer is going to want to crash 3 or 4 limited production up to half million dollar motorhomes. Nor are you going want to Pay the increase in price for prevost like construction i would bet.
- EffyExplorer III imagine higher end bus conversions are much safer simply by virtue of being on a bus chassis. I also would think C's and especially Super C's would be safer in front end collisions due to the placement of the engine. Likewise with a DP in a rear end due to the placement of the engine. Logic tells me gasser class A's are likely the most unsafe.
- DrewEExplorer IIMotorhomes in general are not all that crashworthy. A good bit of that is hard to avoid: there are a lot of loose or potentially loose objects in the passenger compartment to go flying around in a crash, and things that make for comfortable and usable living spaces do not always jive with what makes good protective vehicles. (A dinette without a table would be safer in an accident but less useful for eating. A vehicle without propane lines and tanks added on would be safer in a crash than one with them, all other things being equal.)
Motorhomes do not have a terrible safety record for at least a couple of reasons: first, most motorhome drivers are more cautious and attentive than car drivers while en route; and second, a motorhome is larger and heavier than most other vehicles, which is a decided advantage in collisions with other vehicles (but not so much with fixed objects like embankments, overpasses, or boulders).
The short version: please avoid crashing your motorhome. - Christian_NevadExplorerThank you for all of the information. Greatly appreciated...
- valhalla360NavigatorSearch: Top Gear Motorhome Race.
Watch the videos and tell me if you would want to be sitting in the john going down the highway at 60mph when you get into a crash.
As others have said they don't test them. The bus conversions are probably your best bet but you pay for it. - regal_blueExplorerGreetings All,
I just have weigh in on this conversation.
First, we have a 30ft Barth motorhome. If you check out this manufacturer's history (http://www.tincantourists.com/wiki/doku.php?id=barth) you will see that their product was overbuilt in some regards and built as motorhome should be in others. The Barth is built with all metal: steel and aluminum with rivets-very stout and solid. The only wood and fiberglass in our Barth is cosmetic and interior.
It's center of gravity is lower than other mhs and is designed to be more stable and surefooted.
We'll stay with it.
I can only say that everyone who is looking for their wanderdream mh needs to research and discover what each of the manufacturers offer. Like anything, it's very personal and, here, we're talking about overall safety. So, become a study on the vehicle's construction meeting the demands and criteria for it's purpose just as you would anything thing else.
The nice thing about doing this is during the process, it's discovered what actual fit is to be had-heard many stories about this happening when folks investigated and realized what type of mh they really wanted.
These vehicles are handicapped before they leave the driveway by size, weight, cumbersomeness and slowness. So, with this in mind, go slower and enjoy the experience.
Happy Trails-
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