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Aug 27, 2015

How does the Jacobs Extarder work?

My m/h is a 1994 Allegro Bus, 5.9B 230 hp (mechanical engine) Cummins DP. It is equipped with a Jacobs Extarder. From what I understand, to stop confusion in what it's called, it is now just called a Jacobs Exhaust brake.

I don't know how it's supposed to work. When I flip the dash switch, the lever arm on it flips 90 degrees so it seems to be working. In real life, I can't see that it does anything. I have been on some 6 percent downgrades and at the top, I will activate the Extarder but it does not slow me down going downhill. If I'm going 60 when I activate it and if I don't hit my brakes, I'll be going 75 by the time I get to the bottom. I recently was in very heavy stop and go traffic for about 40 miles of flat land. When i got about 10 miles from my destination, I lost about 90% of my braking power due to overheating the brakes. I talked to a diesel guy and he asked if I was using my exhaust brake and I told him I did not have it turned on and it does nothing to help me slow down.

My question is, what am I supposed to do to get some braking from it? Am I supposed to be in a lower gear before activating it, am I supposed to be at a certain speed before activation, is is supposed to change my gears for me to drop to a lower gear (remember, this is a mechanical engine).

From the looks of it, there doesn't seem to be much to it. It closes off the exhaust via a flapper in-line on the exhaust system. If it does that, why doesn't it slow me down?

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  • There is a bleed hole in the flapper valve. If that hole has eroded, and is larger than it should be, the braking power will be reduced.
    If the flapper valve edges are eroded, the braking power will be reduced.
    If the flapper valve is not closing all the way, the braking power will be reduced.
    IMO, you need to take it to a good Cummins shop and have it checked out by someone who knows what to look for.
  • What you have sounds similar to the PacBrake on our Safari – exhaust brake only. Our engine is electronically controlled. Anyhow . . .

    When I switch on my PacBrake, my 6-speed Allison transmission shifts down to 5th gear and I can feel the braking. The previous owner told me he had things reprogrammed to automatically downshift only this far. I understand the factory default was second gear (I assume it did the shifting incrementally) which gave more braking than he wanted.

    I can still push the button to downshift and the lower gears provide even more braking in the event I should need it. But I’ve been pretty impressed with the ability of the PacBrake to hold my speed on some pretty long and steep hills here in WV with shifting down only to 5th gear.

    If yours does not downshift automatically, I assume you need to downshift manually.

    Wayne
  • Is your cruise control engaged? Mine dose not activate with it on, you actually have to tap the brake to disengage the cruise, the it goes to work.
  • You may have to be in 2nd or 4th gear before it will actually 'slow' your speed.

    You have to have zero fuel flow.....foot off accelerator pedal and downshift tranny.


    You should be able to hear it restrict the exhaust flow when it engages (closes) causing back pressure on engine


    IF it doesn't engage....then it may be binding/frozen from lack of use. Exhaust soot can build up on internals and not allow movement.
  • You may have to be in 2nd or 4th gear before it will actually '******' your speed.

    You have to have zero fuel flow.....foot off accelerator pedal and downshift tranny.


    You should be able to hear it restrict the exhaust flow when it engages (closes) causing back pressure on engine


    IF it doesn't engage....then it may be binding/frozen from lack of use. Exhaust soot can build up on internals and not allow movement.
  • busguy22 wrote:
    If you don't feel and/or hear something when engaging it (and your foot is off the throttle) it isn't working properly. It wouldn't be uncommon on a vehicle of that age to have something seized inside the Jake brake mechanism.

    I'd take it in to have someone look at it.


    Is there something more to it other than the flapper closing off the exhaust. That seems to be working fine and why I was wondering if I'm supposed to be doing something like manually switching gears on my Allison World Tranny before turning it on or changing speed before activating it, etc.
  • If you don't feel and/or hear something when engaging it (and your foot is off the throttle) it isn't working properly. It wouldn't be uncommon on a vehicle of that age to have something seized inside the Jake brake mechanism.

    I'd take it in to have someone look at it.