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- pianotunaNomad IIIWestern,
Canada's current Federal government wants to pass a law eliminating single use plastic containers. It may end up costing them re-election. I'm in favor of the ban. - BB_TXNomad
Alan_Hepburn wrote:
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One thing that few people think about: until somebody can build an electric motor that is 100% efficient there will be a "cost" for running an electric motor. That cost is the inefficiency of the motor, which manifests itself as heat! So, in the end electric motors actually cause global warming!
You think an electric motor gives off nearly as much heat as what comes off a hot internal combustion engine, it’s radiator, it’s exhaust piping, and hot exhaust gases from the tailpipe? - westernrvparkowExplorerEnvironmentally friendly legislation would be something along the lines of you can only travel 10 miles from your home and that travel must be human powered (walking, biking, skateboarding etc.) Then eliminate all single use containers. No pre-packaged products of any kind. No ordering products that require delivery. If you can't pick it up and carry it home, you don't need it.
This will eliminate most landfill waste. It will end those nasty environmental destroying items like cars, airplanes, passenger trains, buses, and local delivery trucks. Only vehicular traffic will government approved deliveries to the local markets. The government can easily designate approved products that logistically will do the least amount of environmental damage. No one needs foodstuffs that come from a long distance. We can all live without Alaskan King Crab. Only New Englanders need lobster. Midwesterners can survive on a corn and wheat heavy diet. Who cares if Minnesotans don't get oranges for breakfast.
Shut down every single fossil fueled power plant today. If there isn't enough electricity for everyone, tough. Mankind survived for thousands of years without it. Everyone needs to put on their big boy pants and do their part.
Why do things only part way. I say let's put all our chips on the table and go all in. Sure, it might take us back to the stone age, but that is good because in the stone age there wasn't a global warming crisis that without immediate action we are all doomed to extinction in something like 10 years (AOC, Prince Charles, Al Gore and a host of others who obviously know tell us that is the fact). Come on people, go Luddite. We have a planet to save!!!! - JaxDadExplorer III
azrving wrote:
If we want to cut emissions, save resources and "save the planet" what the heck would any of us be doing in an RV.
Stop and think about it.
Many, many years ago a Canadian music group of some repute wrote a song that springs to mind given that idea.
Rush - Red Barchetta lyrics. Rick Jay wrote:
Reisender,
I believe they also may contain cobalt, which is a Hazardous Substance.
~Rick
They contain a bunch of things besides Aluminum but obviously not enough to have them considered hazardous. I don’t think they would ever end up in a landfill though. Aluminum is pricey. Even a can gets you a nickel or a dime in some places.
The life cycle of an EV battery is upwards of 30 years. The first half in a vehicle and the second half in grid or mini grid storage. Lots of good reading on it.
Cobalt free batteries are already being developed. The latest generation of existing batteries uses a lot less cobalt than those of 10 years ago. One of the original founders of Tesla (straubel I believe) has a startup that is recycling and reusing EV batteries. There are a bunch of start ups that are in the works right now. Kinda interesting to follow. All above my head. I just drive the car. :).- Rick_JayExplorer IIReisender,
I believe they also may contain cobalt, which is a Hazardous Substance.
~Rick rgatijnet1 wrote:
I believe that disposing of the old batteries can be a huge environmental headache.
I can also see the value of this RV decreasing quickly with time and that it may be difficult to unload once it gets close to battery replacement time. The cost for the new batteries and for disposal of the old batteries MAY exceed the total value of the coach.
I don’t understand the environmental headache statement. Maybe if it was a lead acid battery but a lithium ion battery is mostly aluminum. Not considered to be hazardous.- pianotunaNomad IIISimilarly a Sprinter Class C might require motor repairs that exceed the total value of the RV.
- rgatijnet1Explorer IIII believe that disposing of the old batteries can be a huge environmental headache.
I can also see the value of this RV decreasing quickly with time and that it may be difficult to unload once it gets close to battery replacement time. The cost for the new batteries and for disposal of the old batteries MAY exceed the total value of the coach. Alan_Hepburn wrote:
Not with renewable power. Just completes the natural thermodynamic cycle when the power comes from wind, solar, hydro.
One thing that few people think about: until somebody can build an electric motor that is 100% efficient there will be a "cost" for running an electric motor. That cost is the inefficiency of the motor, which manifests itself as heat! So, in the end electric motors actually cause global warming!
Right now as I post... renewables are providing over 50% of the electricity in CA. This percentage is growing every year. Zero % coal BTW. Nationwide coal is dropping every year.
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