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turbojimmy
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Oct 13, 2014

Leaky Black Water Valve - what are my options?

Here's a pic of the waste valve on my '84 Allegro:



I have a couple of problems. First, whatever style fitting that is won't accept newer hoses or caps. The only cap that will fit is the original, which has 2 tangs on it unlike new ones that have 4. I tried to use my brother's Rhino hose this past weekend (long story) and it wouldn't fit either.

The other problem is the black valve is leaking significantly. And the old cap isn't holding it back.

I'd like to replace that fitting with one that accepts newer hardware, but I don't know what sort of valve I'd have to get. The gray water valve is new (you can almost see it on the right). I don't have a lot of room to work with on the black water pipe. The valve is installed at the end of a 90-degree elbow. I'm afraid if I cut it off, I won't have enough pipe to install a new valve. Things would snowball out of control from there. I'm wondering if just that valve will come out and I can replace it with a new one? This wouldn't solve my fitting/cap problem but I have to stop that leak at a minimum.

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  • I would cut it off and re-plumb the valves. Buy the new standard size bayonet end piece and install new valves. The Valterra valves are about $15.00 each. You could do the whole project for under $50.00.
  • Another search revealed that Thetford to Valterra adapters are plentiful. If I can rebuild that valve I'm golden!! Thanks again!
  • Thanks all!

    It is indeed a Thetford valve. Says right on it.

    Now that the black tank is drained (another long story) I can open the valve and see what's going on. The rubber seal is all deformed - it's toast. It appears as if the blade is plastic.

    It would be cool if there was a Thetford-to-normal-bayonet adapter but I haven't been able to come up with one. Maybe hacking that one out is an option.

    If I replace the valve with a newer style, I'd have to hack the elbow off at the tank, which might not be the end of the world if I could slip a new elbow over the remnants. I'll have to hack away all that foam insulation to see what I'm dealing with.

    In the meantime, I'll look for a thetford rebuild kit. Might be the best short term solution.
  • Jimmy,

    Dollars to donuts that is a Thetford valve. It should be held in place by 4 screws and be easily removed. Parts are available, but they are very proud of them. Don't order from Thetford unless you have a lot of time. They are real bad at shipping promptly - even when they already have your money. Just get to any good RV supplier and tell them you need the rebuild kit for a Thetford 3" valve. (Try Vintage Trailer) It will work unless that valve is old enough to be the stainless back side. I would doubt that. Unfortunately, all the newer valves use a different bolt spacing.

    I do not believe that the T was a Thetford product. The mated flange is definitely not theirs. It is also not Valtera. That being the case, I don't think you have a lot of choice here. What I would do (fortunately, I don't have to), is get a Valtera or other common bayonet flange, then measure to see if it will fit on with the existing ears are removed. Then, carefully saw off the ears and glue the new flange over the old. This may require that you trim the OD of the remaining plastic. I don't know what tools you have available, so I hesitate to suggest a method.

    Matt
  • Can you take the old valve apart? What normally happens is some TP will get stuck in the groove and not allow the blade to fully close.