Forum Discussion
23 Replies
- Horizon170Explorer
Tothill wrote:
We have a different but related problem.
89 Ford Econoline 460.
The Fuel Gauge stopped working two summers ago. We have only been camping to up300 miles away from home and we know we can easily do that on one tank of gas.
It will perk up and show 1/4 tank briefly when it likely has 1/4 tank left.
Fuel pump is working.
We plan to look into having this fixed sometime this month.
I am gathering from what I have read in this thread:
We likely need to have the fuel pump replaced to get the gas gauge working.
It may be a challenge to get the correct pump.
Now one more question.
Our RV is 25 years old and we plan to keep it for 4-5 more years. Someone above commented on lots of rust.
Should we look at having the fuel tank replaced at the same time? Or leave it alone and just have the pump replaced?
Do you have one or two tanks? My '88 E150 has two. - j-dExplorer IIThis '89 Econoline 460... Is it an '89 Chassis Year, and is it EFI or Carbureted? Also, you mention "one tank" but is it equipped with One Gas Tank or Two? If TWO, the gas gauge runs through the Tank Select Valve and that could complicate diagnosis of the problem. My guess is Wiring or a worn-out spot on the "wiper" surface that makes up the connection to the gauge. Scary but true, the fuel gauge sender is a contact that moves according to a float, and rubs on an exposed surface in on the pump/sender bracket. All exposed to gasoline liquid and vapor.
Oh, I see you're in BC. First, congrats it's beautiful, but does this make your chassis an "export" or "Canadian" version of the Ford E350? I hadn't heard it does, but thought I'd ask. - kaz442Explorer
Tothill wrote:
We have a different but related problem.
89 Ford Econoline 460.
The Fuel Gauge stopped working two summers ago. We have only been camping to up300 miles away from home and we know we can easily do that on one tank of gas.
It will perk up and show 1/4 tank briefly when it likely has 1/4 tank left.
Fuel pump is working.
We plan to look into having this fixed sometime this month.
I am gathering from what I have read in this thread:
We likely need to have the fuel pump replaced to get the gas gauge working.
It may be a challenge to get the correct pump.
Now one more question.
Our RV is 25 years old and we plan to keep it for 4-5 more years. Someone above commented on lots of rust.
Should we look at having the fuel tank replaced at the same time? Or leave it alone and just have the pump replaced?
If your is org fuel pump and sender, its probably your float. They were made of brass and developed leaks so they didn't float correctly. That turned out to be the problem with mine.
I also emailed airtech to get part number to order and they gave me the wrong number. They did give me a free replacement after a few heated emails and phone calls.
Dropping the tanks not that hard. Mine only had 10 gallons. A floor jack with a piece of plywood did the trick. I did have the rear MH up on large jack stands.
JKaz - maillemakerExplorer
It will perk up and show 1/4 tank briefly when it likely has 1/4 tank left.
Fuel pump is working.
If it is the original fuel pump then it is possible that the sending unit has gone bad or the electrical connection to it is intermittent.
Sadly, to see the connections at the tank you have to drop the tank. However, once dropped, there are like 3 terminals so it is trivial to remove the nuts, clean the terminals, and replace the nuts.We likely need to have the fuel pump replaced to get the gas gauge working.
It may be a challenge to get the correct pump.
As above, you may or may not have to replace the pump. If it is the original pump, and since you're going to the trouble to drop the tank anyway, replacing the pump might be a good idea anyway.
The problem could also be with the gauge itself. Which is a problem, since it is integral with the rest of the gauges in the console. It cannot be independently replaced. If your gauge itself is shot, your only real option is an aftermarket fuel gauge mounted somewhere.
All I would say is if you replace the pump, get it in writing the part number of the pump that is being replaced and that it matches the VIN of your chassis. If your gas gauge runs backwards, you've got the wrong pump!Our RV is 25 years old and we plan to keep it for 4-5 more years. Someone above commented on lots of rust.
Should we look at having the fuel tank replaced at the same time? Or leave it alone and just have the pump replaced?
You'd have to inspect it and see what it looks like outside and inside the tank.
Steve - TothillExplorerWe have a different but related problem.
89 Ford Econoline 460.
The Fuel Gauge stopped working two summers ago. We have only been camping to up300 miles away from home and we know we can easily do that on one tank of gas.
It will perk up and show 1/4 tank briefly when it likely has 1/4 tank left.
Fuel pump is working.
We plan to look into having this fixed sometime this month.
I am gathering from what I have read in this thread:
We likely need to have the fuel pump replaced to get the gas gauge working.
It may be a challenge to get the correct pump.
Now one more question.
Our RV is 25 years old and we plan to keep it for 4-5 more years. Someone above commented on lots of rust.
Should we look at having the fuel tank replaced at the same time? Or leave it alone and just have the pump replaced? - maillemakerExplorer
Surely the fuel gauge going "backwards" wouldn't be a reinstall problem. Just reverse two wires going to the fuel gauge. Or put E and F stickers over the scale on the gauge.
When I was first stumbling into this problem, it went like this:
I got home from my emergency repair and took the RV into my usual local mechanic. He's convenient because his shop is directly across the street from the storage place where we store our RV, so he can just go get it when he has a time lot to work on it.
Originally, we were working under the assumption that the electrical short had not only burned up the pump but also the fuel gage. He wasted some time trying to hunt down a replacement gauge or an aftermarket fuel gauge.
After he got into it he discovered that the "fuel pump was defective and he has seen this before". He thought that the sending unit on the pump had been installed "backwards". He said removed it, flipped it over, and re-attached it to the pump. He said he had seen this before and that the pumps were manufactured wrong. In fact, he was wrong.
However, what he did did make the gas gauge start working again. However, it doesn't work right. My guess is the rheostat/potentiometer in the sending unit is not calibrated properly running backwards. So when absolutely full the gauge only reads about 3/4 full, and it very quickly runs down to the E and sits there for most of the tank of gas. I don't know if he reversed the wires or if he really re-mounted the sending unit.
Anyway, I called Airtex to complain, and that is when I got into the heart of the problem. It's not that the pump was manufactured wrong, it was that their database spits out the wrong pump part number for my VIN. So did the AutoZone web site.
When I first emailed Airtex, they said that the problem was that the VIN was not accurate and that sometimes the chassis date did not match the RV manufacture date. This turned out to be incorrect. The VIN number absolutely identifies the rolling Ford chassis. It is true that often RVs are built with last-year's rolling chassis, but that has nothing to do with the rolling chassis nor its VIN nor its identification.
After digging around on the web and other parts-locator web sites, I started to see that there was a cut-off date in 1990, I think it was around September, where before that date one part number was given and after that date another part number was given for the fuel pump.
After months of emailing Airtex they finally sent me the correct fuel pump for my RV for free.
So I spent $800 for the emergency repair when the pump burned up to have the wrong pump put in, and then I spent about another $300 with my local mechanic debugging and partially fixing the problem. So I'm already $1100 in. And it's going to cost me probably another $300 to have the "free" correct fuel pump installed.
On one hand I feel like I probably should have sued the original mechanic. Even though it was virtually impossible for him to know about the problem, I did take the RV right back to him after I stopped for gas after leaving his place and noticing that the gas gauge did not work. But he kind of blew me off when I returned to the shop and said, "Yeah, ok we'll look at it." I could tell when I left that he probably wasn't going to look at it and was just going to say, "we can't fix it the gauge must be fried."
Sure enough a week later he said they could not figure out what was wrong. I don't think they ever checked. If they had done some investigating and some googling on "gas gauge not working" or "gas gauge works backwards" they would have gotten a clue that they had the wrong pump.
The moral of the story here is this, folks: If you get your fuel pump replaced and the gas gauge doesn't work, you need to assume the wrong fuel pump was put in.
Steve - Gene_in_NEExplorer IIIron.dittmer - I agree with your last sentence. I believe what I would do is take my digital camera with flash underneath and take as many pictures as possible from different directions of the area above the gas tank. Enlarge the pictures to enable pinpointing the location of the fuel line and wiring. Then carefully plan the location from above and carefully cut an access hole. That might solve the problem of the tank being full of gas - wouldn't be a problem. You can always take something like an old license plate and use it to cover the hole you made. Cover with carpet. ;)
- ron_dittmerExplorer IIII have replaced in-tank fuel pumps a number of times on different vehicles, but not yet on an E-Series. The number one challenge around these parts is rust related. So much breaks or is too rusted to re-use. The second challenge is the task itself. None are easy. There is "A Pain" and "A Curse".
On a rare few cars, you are able to change the pump via a trap door in the vehicle's floor under the passenger seat, or from in the trunk. I recall they were European cars.
It most often starts out bad from the get-go. The tank is full of gas but the pump is dead, and there is anti-siphon protection in the fill tube. - Harvey51ExplorerSurely the fuel gauge going "backwards" wouldn't be a reinstall problem. Just reverse two wires going to the fuel gauge. Or put E and F stickers over the scale on the gauge.
Nasty little job changing an in tank pump. I did it on a 1990 Ford car. - globalsevenExplorerResolution:
I want to thank everyone who replied with such valuable information.
The reason I went to the Ford Dealership is becaused I did some grunt work trying to find a shop with a lift that could go high enough and was long enough for the 27 ft RV. (in this little area) My regular mechanic could not accomodate nor could anyone he trusted. I checked with Ford and our RV dealership as well. While Ford wasn't cheap, it was less expensive of the 2.
In addition to this forum, I checked with my mechanic and he put me on to his parts guy. He asked for these specifics:
Production Date - is 11/19/90
Motorcraft Part # - f1uz9h307aa
36 or 40 Gal Tank - 40
Mid chassis or after axel - after axel
The closest he could come was June of 1990 and f1uz9h307ba
Ford called me today and the part works and the RV runs fine.
However, now that I have read all the posts, I need to make sure the gas gauge works.
I hope this information helps anyone else with this problem.
Thanks
Dave
About Motorhome Group
38,736 PostsLatest Activity: Jul 19, 2025