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Malakie
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Sep 12, 2014

New to RV's and need some advice for winter....

Hi,

I am new to RV's. Let me tell you first about what I am doing and have done then I will get to the actual question regarding winter RV stuff.. I bought a 1998 38' Four Winds WindSport used for $5000. When it was offered, the first question I asked was NOT what is broken rather I asked if anything actually worked! :-)

Amazingly, the unit is in great shape. The only problems initially were the right rear jack was bent due to a driver not raising before moving and the genset not starting probably due to bad fuel after sitting for a few years. That is it for major issues so far.

Of course there have been normal issues, broken drawers, burned out bulbs, missing screws etc as well as caulking and sealing cracking and crumbling. We have spent about $1500 in the last two weeks working on all those little normal things and normal maintenance.

I have also designed and built a completely off grid power system for the unit as well based on solar and dual wind turbines. We produce about 1kw of power on a good day with both. I added 6 deep cell batteries to the unit and we can pretty much run indefinitely now as long as the wind and sun are available. Only things we cannot run for long are the AC units or microwave. With the system I can produce about 15 AMPS through the multiple inverters for about 6 hours if I am running everything at once... which is not normal of course. Of course we can always plug in for AC if need be but since winter is coming, not really an issue now.

We have been running a few lights, heat, frig, computers, TV and satellite and a few other small items now for two days and the system has remained at 100% until a little bit ago when it started to rain.. and there is no wind. Once the battery bank drops to 25%, the genset (using an backup portable right now due to the built in one needing carb cleaning from sitting so long) will automatically start and charge the batteries back up then the genset will power down until needed again.. (I am thinking about turning this into an actual product/Kit people can buy for camping, RV's, etc) All the RV'rs that have seen my setup really want it for their units so we shall see... My actual intent is/was to go completely off grid for my own reasons... I now realize what I put together is something a lot of people might like to use as well.

I have also added a splitter to the propane system that allows me to hook up two additional portable 100 gallon propane tanks. Between 2 electric ceramic heaters and the furnace I should be ok for heat during the winter depending.. I will be keeping the internal tank full as an emergency backup only when using the portable tanks during the winter. Running the electric ceramic heaters has caused the genset to run just a bit more over the last couples days (it has been abnormally cold here the last 3 days) but nothing extreme. The batteries seem to do pretty well with the system. I am seriously thinking about adding 6 more deep cells but have to figure out a couple things first... WHERE to put them and the weight distribution if I do.. But with 6 more, I pretty much can go off grid without any worries at all for long periods of time. BTW the system does feed into the main system to keep the RV batteries up as well as needed and all the switching features are fully functional and not altered in any way.

BTW, all light bulbs have been replaced with LED equivalent and the system draws an amazingly small amount of power compared to what it was now. I am updating and switching out anything like this that can make a difference. I am also going to change out the propane water heater with a 12 VDC on demand water heater system that can supply 3-4 gallons on the fly thus giving another savings of propane use.

I am also thinking about buying a small portable out door wood burner unit you see a lot of people installing for homes. They make small units too and it is very feasible to simply create a vent hook up from the burner into the mobile home for wood heat just like in a regular house. But I will look more into that later... What is cool is it can be mounted on a small trailer and you can pull it wherever you go..

Ok so to my question now that you know what I have done and am doing..

Due to my current situation I will be living in the RV for at least a few more months. Possibly into even January.

Where I need help is on winterizing this thing for winter living. I have already purchased and started installing heater tape for any exposed water pipes. I have a small ceramic block heater that will run on minimal setting to keep the temp above freezing in the back cargo area where the water tank and pump are located.

I need help and suggestions though on protecting the underside against snow, wind etc as well as the windows, which are worthless in keeping cold out. I did find some thick inserts for the ceiling vents but not for other vents like the stove fan, tank vents and so forth.

Any help on this would be appreciated because if we have a winter like last year, it will be a cold one with a lot of snow... And the more I can seal and winterize the less propane and power consumption I will need to have and worry about..

Thanks...

49 Replies

  • pianotuna wrote:
    Hi,

    Check out the full time forum and the thread called Winter RV Camping.

    I got insulbright covers made for all windows, vents, skylines and the like.

    They are a layer of fabric, a layer of mylar, a layer of batting and then the end user adds the interior layer of cloth. I used 17 yards of material.


    Thanks! I will do that.. Been spending the last couple days trying to come up with ideas for the windows and such. I know I can use plastic and so forth but I would rather find a solution for something that I can put up and take down in seconds if that is possible... On nicer days being able to see out side is something we would like..
  • Dismal report on the freezing weather vs RVing report. My DW and I are planning a trip to Yellowstone and Mt Rushmore in the comming weeks. 34 degrees for overnight lows but a brisk 60 something during the days. The very windows that I'm so proud of might prove to be a problem this trip. We'll try to stay un-frozen and let y'all know how it went. Maybe, with some extra comforter blankets to block off windows and the front compartment . . .
  • Probably not what you want to hear but you no matter what you do to that MH you will end up freezing to death.

    I am from Wisconsin and very familiar with the winters there. Staying in a MH is not doable.

    I went to Florida for the winter in my MH. They had a cold snap of freezing temps for several days. It was NOT pleasant being in the MH period.

    And in Florida freezing temp warnings means only 32 degrees AND at that temp for ONLY for a few hours right before dawn. Unlike up North that when the sun goes down the temps drop immediately to below freezing for ALL night long.

    The windows in a MH are not thermopane. AND you have an expansive area of the windshield to consider also. ALL the windows is where all the cold will come in.

    Sorry I wouldn't even suggest that my ex mother-in-law stay in a MH in Wisconsin during the winter. :B
  • Hi,

    1 kwh per day from dual wind turbines and solar? That seems pretty low.

    Have you made any provision for keeping the battery bank(s) warm?

    Consider adding a storm porch to act as an air lock.

    I have an insulbright blanket to block off the cab area of my class C.

    Add a trik-l-start unit to keep the chassis battery charged.
  • Hi,

    Check out the full time forum and the thread called Winter RV Camping.

    I got insulbright covers made for all windows, vents, skylines and the like.

    They are a layer of fabric, a layer of mylar, a layer of batting and then the end user adds the interior layer of cloth. I used 17 yards of material.
  • donn0128 wrote:
    Youll need a volumous source of propane. 100 dollars a week is probably going to be the norm in WI in winter. You really need to figure out how yo seal the open underside of your MH. Hay bails would be ideal but then you would have varment problems. So a framework covered with foam insulation board and something over that certainally would work. Since you want to be off grid a heat lamp is our of the question. But you really also need a heat source under the MH. This will help prevent pipes from freezing


    I had thought about straw however that is not a good idea due to mice but more importantly, the fire hazard.

    I am thinking maybe some 4" thick pink insulation board wrapped around the skirting with plywood. Under I can use standard insulation placed up in the undercarriage temporarily yet easily removed if I need to.

    The biggest thing though is trying to find a way to cover/insulated all the vents and areas that allow heat out and cold in... especially all the single pane windows which are thin as hell and not made for heat or cold protection.. I really do not want to tape plastic over them all either because it limits being able to see out and that does not really help anyway. I was thinking perhaps having some heavy wool or cotton 'shades' that could be hung for each window using clips that allow for partial or complete easy removal..

    Am open to any other suggestions...
  • Youll need a volumous source of propane. 100 dollars a week is probably going to be the norm in WI in winter. You really need to figure out how yo seal the open underside of your MH. Hay bails would be ideal but then you would have varment problems. So a framework covered with foam insulation board and something over that certainally would work. Since you want to be off grid a heat lamp is our of the question. But you really also need a heat source under the MH. This will help prevent pipes from freezing
  • gbopp wrote:
    Check your tires. RV tires usually age out before they wear out.
    There are several sites about Cold Weather RVing.
    Hopefully someone on the forum can give you some advice.
    I'm a fair weather camper.....no cold for me. :)


    I have tires on the list to be replaced soon as well as the shocks. That was one thing I knew when I bought it..

    I will check the link.. thanks..
  • Check your tires. RV tires usually age out before they wear out.
    There are several sites about Cold Weather RVing.
    Hopefully someone on the forum can give you some advice.
    I'm a fair weather camper.....no cold for me. :)