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Vapor_Trails
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Oct 28, 2014

New (to us) DP Questions.

My DW and I just acquired a new-to-us 2006 Fleetwood Providence 39s. It has a Cat 350hp and an Allison trans. We bought it from a family member (uncle) so I know the history and we got an incredibly good deal. I’m very close to my uncle and we do stuff together all the time. He bought it new and we’ve camped with him many times. He’s taken very good care of it over the years. And I think it only has about 15,000 miles.

DW and I never in a million years thought we’d ever buy a Class A, let alone a diesel pusher. We’ve been shopping for a larger TT or perhaps a 5er, but that would also require a TV upgrade. But, my aunt is really a hotel queen and refuses to RV anymore. He was looking to downsize anyway and offered us a deal that’s better than we could do with a new trailer-tow vehicle upgrade. So, here we are.

I'm starting to familiarize myself with all the systems but I have a few questions:

1. Where do I add engine oil? I know my way around a toolbox so I figured it'd be obvious, but surprisingly it's not. I think I know which cap is the fill cap, but it isn’t marked and I don’t want to make a mistake. Uncle wasn't sure, either.

2. The house batteries are nearing the end of their lives. There are 4 group 24 6v in series. I have been very happy with 2 group 24 12v in my previous TT. Is there any reason why I should not switch from 6v to 12v?

3. This one is kind of a biggie; kind of. A couple of years ago my uncle was lowering the front jacks but did not notice he was ever-so-slightly rolling forward. It bent the left front jack just enough that it wouldn’t retract. We were all camping out in the desert at the time and it did retract just enough to use a bottle jack to put it back in place. He never had it looked at but a body-shop owner/friend suggested he lower the jack and then gently back up a bit to see if that bends it back in place. That seems reasonable to us. Is there any reason we shouldn’t try that?

This is our (my DW and I) first diesel pusher; first motor home, actually. So any other tips are welcome. Thanks.
  • The reason for staying with the 6V golf cart batteries is they have no CCA, (cold crank amps) since they are not starter batteries and more CAH, Capacity Amp Hours, which is what you need to power your 'stuff' while stopped.

    Since it sounds like your uncle didn't do any oil changes himself, I would take your coach to a Speedco and let them change the oil and filters, fuel and oil and let them teach you where everything is. You'll need the experience of changing a fuel filter anyway. It will come in handy if you're stuck on the side of the road after getting some bad fuel. Speedco will let you in the pit and show you what they're doing. You can mark your dipstick after they fill. They'll also check your coolant SCA while you're there. Plan on about $300 bucks.....Dennis
  • I'd stick with the 4 6v batteries, and replace the jack with a new one.
  • I have a 2007 Discovery which is very similar. You add oil in the same tube with the yellow cap that also contains the engine oil dipstick. Like another poster mentioned the dipsticks are not very accurate. When I fill mine to spec's called for By Cat it's near the add mark. I would change the oil (with the exact amount called for) and filter, start the engine to fill the filter, shut the engine down and wait a few minutes and check the oil and see where it registers on the dipstick. I it's off the marks I would mark the dipstick where the full line registered on the stick. I would stick with the 6 volt batteries as they will hold charge a lot longer than the 12volt. Just look for a deal on golf cart batteries like they sell at Costco or Sams. I would not trust the jack. Are they the electric powered jacks? They can be trouble some and there are updates for the electric jacks.;)
  • My thinking is it's damaged. If I try to re bend it, my luck it will work 2-3 times then fail at the worst possible moment and leave me stranded in the rain on a Sunday with an extended jack.

    It's a nice DP.

    Fix it right and enjoy it.
  • If you are going to replace the jack what will it hurt to try the method you ask about.
  • The oil add tube should be a yellow plastic cap. BUT. DP dipsticks are notoriously in accurate from the factory. The procedure is to check with CAT to establish how many qts it takes. My CAT uses 19. Get it changed and then on level ground, establish where the oil level is on the dipstick. If the existing one is ok you are lucky. If not use a file to make a new one.

    Next did he keep all the maintenance complete? At 5 years ALL fluids; coolant rear end power steering transmission engine and filters. Trans engine air system desiccant.
    $2-3k. This goes for genset too.

    Tires how old? If factory they need replaced IMHO.

    I would use T105 batteries and replace the jack.

    Buy a Pro Fill water system for the golf cart batteries.

    WELCOME TO DP WORLD.
  • Call Fleetwood help line to locate oil fill. Personally I would go with 4 6volts.
    #3 don't do it.
  • Vapors,

    I am with Roman on #3.

    As to #2 There is a reason that the current are 6V jars in series. It works better. They are probably in a series/parallel set to be 12V because 24v is unpopular outside of big thing and 42v hasn't caught on yet. Lead/acid batteries do not play well in parallel.

    For #1 Without know which Cat engine it is, I can only venture a guess. There is usually a large cap with a T handle low on the engine. Unscrew
    the T handle about a turn and it will be loose. If it is oily and nasty, that is the place. If you don't find that, look at the valve gear cover(s).

    Matt
  • And the answer to #2 is it really depends on how you will be using the coach. If you only go from CG to CG where you will have shore power, the extra battery capacity may not be needed. Dry camp and it is.

    #1 may require you to access the top of the engine to VERIFY which tube goes to the engine to use as an oil fill.
  • "I'll take number three Alex", I mean Vapor Trail; can't offer advice on 1&2, but number 3 I can. Answer is no, don't try to reverse the damage. all you will do is damage more pistons/jacks.In stead contact the jack company and order a replacement and be done with it