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BigDaddy1951
Explorer
Jun 20, 2021

Onan 5.5 Marquis Gold HGJAB problem

For several months my generator start light on the starter switch stayed on all the time running or not. Last week it would start but die immediately when I released the switch, just like I had pressed stop. I shorted the oil sensor after checking the oil and nothing changed. I ordered a new control board from Flight Systems and installed it. That resolved the light issue, but the generator still dies immediately. The control board instructions say that only low oil or no ac output will cause this. Any ideas for future steps would be appreciated.
  • Well, I ran through the oil sensor test and still have the problem. Next up is testing a few other connections, but that will be two weeks out. Life intervenes! LOL
  • Thx for all the replies. My control board had issues and was not giving any codes. The light just stayed on all the time. The new board from Flight Systems gives fewer codes and seems to be more robust and only shuts down for low oil or no AC output. I emailed them and found that I was testing the single wire oil sensor wrong. The sensor wire has to be grounded to the frame to start and then ungrounded before releasing the start button. I’m busy a few days, but I’ll post back the results. I never saw that grounding process online or on YouTube.
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    What is the error code when it dies?
    (NO AC gives a Not Cranking fast enough/low battery code by the way. A fellow RVer demonstrated that. Thankfully they were parked next to the only LIVE 30 amp outlet in the desert that day..... My Rig
  • check the brushs on the generator if you take the cover off look where the start switch is look all the way in the back. you will see 2 wires on the brush block make sure they are connected. take the 8mm screw off and pull the brush block off and inspect
  • check the fuel pump and insure that it does pump enough fuel. just remove hose and pump into a can or bucket.

    Incase you do not have a manual . This is just some info I used a long time ago when we had an issue.

    Ok - Brief description of the genset functions,
    then some troubleshooting info.
    When starting the genset, 12v from the control board is
    passed to the voltage regulator and then on through the brushes
    and slip rings to the rotating field windings. This 'field flash'
    produces an initial magnetic field in the rotor - as the rotor
    moves past the stationary output windings, this magnetic field
    produces approx 45v ac in the output windings while cranking, and
    approx 80v once the genset is up to speed. A slightly higher
    voltage is produced in the stationary 'quadrature' windings,
    which are connected to the voltage regulator. The voltage
    regulator uses power from the quadrature windings to increase the
    voltage (and thus current) being fed through the brushes to the
    rotating field, which increases the output voltage until the
    genset output is up to a (nominal) 128v ac. The voltage regulator
    then controls the field voltage as needed to hold the output
    voltage constant. Once the output voltage has risen above approx
    90-95 v, the output from the battery charge winding to the
    control board is high enough to energize relay K2, and the
    control board switches to 'run' mode (and, in the process,
    disconnects the start solenoid, removes field flash from the
    voltage regulator, and switches to 'generated' control voltage
    rather than 'battery' control voltage).
    Troubleshooting:

    Disconnect the genset output from the coach and measure the
    output voltage. If you see approx 120v, the problem is either the
    battery charge winding, the choke heater element shorted, or a
    bad control board or the wiring to it. (The choke heater element
    is fed unrectified ac from the battery charge winding). Remove
    the plastic cover from the choke and measure the ac voltage
    between the two terminals - should be approx 20v. If it is, the
    problem is the control board or wiring to it - if voltage is low
    or nonexistent, problem may be shorted heater element, wiring
    from charge winding, or bad charge winding.

    If genset output is 45-80v ac, problem may be bad regulator,
    bad output or quadrature windings, and/or poor connection to
    rotating field due to tarnish buildup on slip rings. Pull air
    cleaner and remove cover behind it in genset housing to access
    brush block. Measure resistance from one brush lead to the
    other - should be approx 25 ohms. If more than approx 35 ohms,
    remove brush block, clean slip rings and brush tips, and retest.
    If output voltage is still low, check voltage from quadrature
    winding to voltage regulator (module mounted in bottom left of
    control box) by back-probing pins 11 and 12 of the 12-pin
    regulator connector - voltage should be approx the same as
    measured at output. If it is, the voltage regulator is bad - if
    quadrature winding output is low or nonexistent, check
    connections/wiring - winding should measure approx 2 ohms
    resistance.

    If genset output is (almost) nonexistent ( less than 5v ac),
    most probable would be no field flash from control board to
    voltage regulator, bad connection from voltage regulator to
    brushes, tarnished slip rings, shorted or open rotor windings, or
    shorted output windings. Measure brush-brush resistance and
    correct if necessary. Set meter to dc volts, hook positive meter
    lead to right brush and negative to left brush, and check for
    field flash - should be approx 11v dc while cranking. If not
    present, hook negative meter lead to ground and back-probe voltge
    regulator connector pin 7 while cranking. If you have voltage
    here but not at brushes, either voltage regulator or wiring from
    regulator to brushes is bad. If you don't have voltage at pin 7,
    check for voltage at pin 5 of connector P1 on control board - if
    not present here, problem is on control board. I am not sure on the pins since your system is not the same as mine.
  • Yes. Flipped breakers and checked oil first. That was the first two questions my son asked. Never hurts! LOL.
  • Did you check the two circuit breakers on the gen it self. Have to ask the oil level.