Overweight Toad?

jfkmk wrote:

tropical36 wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

tropical36 wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.

Huh! Did you ever stop to think that maybe Ford put a higher class hitch on than GM did?

Good to see you can make a professional assessment of all the dynamics of the OPs rig by some posts, even to the point of what the weak points will be for overloaded towing. I sure wish I had that kind of crystal ball....I'd be a multi-millionaire by now!

With ours, the difference is in the transmission, as would be expected. The hitches are the same at 5000/500lbs just like my F-150 is. In cases of engineering assessments, the evaluation of physical properties and what's been tried and proven, I've yet seen a crystal ball used to obtain the results and just saying, along with my opinion, without being a smart a.......about it all.

Yup, and your F-150 has a class III hitch installed (rated for 5000 lbs) but the hitch on OPs MH is a class II rated for 3500 lbs) as evidenced by the max tow weight sticker on the hitch (see original post). So, no matter what his MH can tow, the weak spot is his class II hitch. Just sayin.

There are class III hitches rated at only 3500 lbs weight carrying. Weight distribution is not recommended for motorhomes so, there's your sticker. He may have a class II but that's rather unlikely.

jfkmk wrote:

tropical36 wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

tropical36 wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.

Huh! Did you ever stop to think that maybe Ford put a higher class hitch on than GM did?

Good to see you can make a professional assessment of all the dynamics of the OPs rig by some posts, even to the point of what the weak points will be for overloaded towing. I sure wish I had that kind of crystal ball....I'd be a multi-millionaire by now!

With ours, the difference is in the transmission, as would be expected. The hitches are the same at 5000/500lbs just like my F-150 is. In cases of engineering assessments, the evaluation of physical properties and what's been tried and proven, I've yet seen a crystal ball used to obtain the results and just saying, along with my opinion, without being a smart a.......about it all.

Yup, and your F-150 has a class III hitch installed (rated for 5000 lbs) but the hitch on OPs MH is a class II rated for 3500 lbs) as evidenced by the max tow weight sticker on the hitch (see original post). So, no matter what his MH can tow, the weak spot is his class II hitch. Just sayin.

Did I not originally say, to first take it to a hitch shop?

tropical36 wrote:

jfkmk wrote:

tropical36 wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.

Huh! Did you ever stop to think that maybe Ford put a higher class hitch on than GM did?

Good to see you can make a professional assessment of all the dynamics of the OPs rig by some posts, even to the point of what the weak points will be for overloaded towing. I sure wish I had that kind of crystal ball....I'd be a multi-millionaire by now!

With ours, the difference is in the transmission, as would be expected. The hitches are the same at 5000/500lbs just like my F-150 is. In cases of engineering assessments, the evaluation of physical properties and what's been tried and proven, I've yet seen a crystal ball used to obtain the results and just saying, along with my opinion, without being a smart a.......about it all.

Yup, and your F-150 has a class III hitch installed (rated for 5000 lbs) but the hitch on OPs MH is a class II rated for 3500 lbs) as evidenced by the max tow weight sticker on the hitch (see original post). So, no matter what his MH can tow, the weak spot is his class II hitch. Just sayin.

jfkmk wrote:

tropical36 wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.

Huh! Did you ever stop to think that maybe Ford put a higher class hitch on than GM did?

Good to see you can make a professional assessment of all the dynamics of the OPs rig by some posts, even to the point of what the weak points will be for overloaded towing. I sure wish I had that kind of crystal ball....I'd be a multi-millionaire by now!

With ours, the difference is in the transmission, as would be expected. The hitches are the same at 5000/500lbs just like my F-150 is. In cases of engineering assessments, the evaluation of physical properties and what's been tried and proven, I've yet seen a crystal ball used to obtain the results and just saying, along with my opinion, without being a smart a.......about it all.

traveylin wrote:
This has been a very entertaining thread. I read the last page and decided to read the whole thing.
Takeaways...Folks living in the northeast are limited by statute to 55 mph while towing and since this is based on safety anytime you see a northeast license plate towing faster than 55 you should call 911 to report an unsafe act.
...Folks living west of the Mississippi have a lot more experience towing and therefore should be given credibility points equal to 200 % or a tower east of the Missippi
...The weight police will require mandatory compliance for any limit imposed, except those related to getting there on time.
... Liability is absolute when evr I am impinged upon.
... Asking for a varance on an open web page is meaningless
...Typical safety design factor for Mech Engin is 4 to 1. 20% over design is not much..

pops

Wow, I think you nailed it.

This has been a very entertaining thread. I read the last page and decided to read the whole thing.
Takeaways...Folks living in the northeast are limited by statute to 55 mph while towing and since this is based on safety anytime you see a northeast license plate towing faster than 55 you should call 911 to report an unsafe act.
...Folks living west of the Mississippi have a lot more experience towing and therefore should be given credibility points equal to 200 % or a tower east of the Missippi
...The weight police will require mandatory compliance for any limit imposed, except those related to getting there on time.
... Liability is absolute when evr I am impinged upon.
... Asking for a varance on an open web page is meaningless
...Typical safety design factor for Mech Engin is 4 to 1. 20% over design is not much..

pops

tropical36 wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.

Huh! Did you ever stop to think that maybe Ford put a higher class hitch on than GM did?

Good to see you can make a professional assessment of all the dynamics of the OPs rig by some posts, even to the point of what the weak points will be for overloaded towing. I sure wish I had that kind of crystal ball....I'd be a multi-millionaire by now!

I can only imagine the number of posts we would have had, IF the OP had said he was going to pull his over weight rig THRU a WAL*MART parking lot....:W......Dennis

tropical36 wrote:

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.

His post was poking at the people that say you cannot do it and furthermore that you will be a danger to everyone else on the road and there is no way you could understand the difference between a tow dolly and a trailer just because they don't and don't understand anything but the sticker on the hitch.

ferndaleflyer wrote:
You all having fun yet?-----figuring out ways to NOT do something as usual!!!!!!!

Not quite the case and with ours, we weren't about to buy another coach and/or toad, so went with the physics of it all. So far and after 10K miles of testing all over the Rockies and beyond, it has performed well, been inspected and re-inspected without any ill effects found thus far.
Again, the tranny doesn't always like it and we have prepared for those instances as well. In fact, I'd have to say, that the whole rating was based on this alone, because the exact same model coach in a Ford is rated much higher and well within limits.