Forum Discussion
Mile High wrote:
When you say wraps, you mean a company theme correct? If you just painted it with some nice graphics you would be OK, right?
Styled graphics are okay. When you start putting company logos and business oriented themes on the coach and trailer (much like the race car guys do) then you start attracting attention from the PoPos who are looking to score $$$ for their jurisdictions.
I'm not going to chance it. I'll have a CDL with HazMat/tanker (propane tank/cleaning chemicals) endorsement for those jurisdictions that require A or B licenses, or want to nitpick a guy for heavy weight loads or hauling propane or dangerous chemicals regardless if they're commercial or not. I just want to make sure all my bases are covered. ;)- When you say wraps, you mean a company theme correct? If you just painted it with some nice graphics you would be OK, right?
moisheh wrote:
So having one of those Class 8 truck conversions is NOT a commercial vehicle until it is used commercially.
Thus the reason for no wraps. I'll just run in stealth mode and nobody will know the difference. I get pulled over, I'm just a retired guy in a huge RV enjoying the sights and scenery of this beautiful country of ours. ;)Edd505 wrote:
ReferralMan wrote:
Says the guy that's been trying to tell me the coach I posted a picture of is on a med. duty "box truck" chassis. :R
LMAO
I try and give accurate info and non commercial just does not have to follow DOT regs for commercial carriers. I have seen many class 8 tractors converted to pull a 5W. Class B license is required if 1 vehicle is over 26K or pulling over 10K. My heavy class 8 Western Star was just under 23K with full 300 gal tanks. I suspect you would need a class B license and may need air brake enforcement. I would have to research the brakes issue.
Don't need a CDL for any RV regardless of GVWR (frighteningly), as long as it is tagged as such. Witness the Escapees pulling huge 5th wheels with converted OTR tractors.Edd505 wrote:
wvabeer wrote:
Not attractive, expensive, less storage underneath and I'll bet noisy in the cab. Not my first choice.
They are not noisy. How do I know 750,000+ as an owner operator
Way more storage than most other MH or 5W.moisheh wrote:
Not all Class 8's are alike. Some are built on a Navistar chassis with a horrible engine, bad emmisi0n system and more! Some units that were built in 06,07 have a Mercedes engine that is even worse. There are units that are nicer looking than what the OP mentioned. He will have problems with his unit being commercial. That will mean a CDL and probably the installation of an ELD and follow Hours of Service. He might also need an IFTA fuel sticker. Maybe a USDOT# and more. Will have to scale It will be a nightmare.
Moisheh
CDL = Commercial Drivers License. it's not a commercial so no hours of service & no scales.
ELD = Electronic Recording device not need as not under hours of service
IFTA is fuel tax reporting motor carriers,
USDOT# is Commercial registration of motor carrier of fright of people
Yes I owned & drove a class 8 truck after I retired from 25 years law enforcement. If you want to know more about commercial driving and related regulations. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/
It is a RV on a class 8 frame, and I suspect it can be ordered with what ever engine you choose. Class 8 commercial trucks can be. You comments on which engines and frames are bad; isn't that like the Ford-Chevy-Dodge debate? To each his own. Again if you want it and can afford it, go for it! I worked for it and I will spend it, my kids can hope it's all paid for before I pass. The kids can spend what they make.
The engine choice is much more limited now than it used to be. Off the top of my head, I haven't seen a big FL with anything but a Detroit in years. (And you won't see a DD in anything but a Freightliner.) Internationals use MAXX-Force or Cummins, Mack uses Volvo. Peterbilt and KW use their own (Paccar) engines, now.
All diesel engines have sucked rocks since 2007.moisheh wrote:
Not all Class 8's are alike. Some are built on a Navistar chassis with a horrible engine, bad emmisi0n system and more! Some units that were built in 06,07 have a Mercedes engine that is even worse. There are units that are nicer looking than what the OP mentioned. He will have problems with his unit being commercial. That will mean a CDL and probably the installation of an ELD and follow Hours of Service. He might also need an IFTA fuel sticker. Maybe a USDOT# and more. Will have to scale It will be a nightmare.
Moisheh
Every diesel built after 2007 has a horrible emission system...all of them, no exceptions.- The 26000 lbs. is not the weight it is the GVW. If it is registered as a business vehicle, being used commercially and plastered with advertising it will be considered a commercial vehicle and must follow FMCSA rules. There have been posts in forums from racers who were hassled.
If you operate any of the following types of commercial motor vehicles in interstate commerce you must comply with the applicable U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) safety regulations concerning:
•A vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 4,537 kg (10,001 lb) or more, whichever is greater;
•A vehicle designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passengers (including the driver) for compensation;
•A vehicle designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers;
Commercial motor vehicle means any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle—
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or
The FMCSA book carried by drivers needs a lawyer to interpret. But what makes a vehicle a commercial vehicle has little to do with the design of the vehicle. It is the usage. Even a PU with a 10,000 lb. gvw towing a travel trailer for the purpose of delivering to an RV dealer is a commercial vehicle. A motorhome that is towing a trailer with commercial goods is a commercial vehicle. There are grey areas. If a motorhome is used as a portable sales office it could be considered a commercial vehicle So having one of those Class 8 truck conversions is NOT a commercial vehicle until it is used commercially.
I did not mention that the driver would be subject to random drug testing. All in all one huge hassle.
Moisheh - Duplicate
Edd505 wrote:
I try and give accurate info and non commercial just does not have to follow DOT regs for commercial carriers. I have seen many class 8 tractors converted to pull a 5W. Class B license is required if 1 vehicle is over 26K or pulling over 10K. My heavy class 8 Western Star was just under 23K with full 300 gal tanks. I suspect you would need a class B license and may need air brake enforcement. I would have to research the brakes issue.
I'll be getting my CDL anyways, as part of my travels will include driving wheat, corn, or cattle trucks either for the farmers/ranchers themselves or for custom haulers or harvesters. If they're custom, then I'll need a CDL as they have to play by DOT and FMC rules as they are for hire.Tom/Barb wrote:
See Folks? he knows every thing about the subject, I think we have been trolled..
But it was not my question Tom/Barb. I responded to a post that was obviously wrong and bad information. How do I know? Personal training & experience with enforcement and commercial driving. My guess is your an O from NAS and full of it.
