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1969SSCamaro
Explorer
Mar 12, 2014

P32 New Coil Springs Too Much?

Hello All,
I am new to Class A MH ownership and want to thank everyone who runs and participates in this forum. I have spent untold hours researching forums and the amount of information and detail is greatly appreciated. My learning curve has literally been accelerated by years as I am able to understand common problems and weaknesses of the P32 chassis; so thank you very much!

A couple of months ago my wife and I purchased a 27’ 1995 Georgie Boy Pursuit with 37,000 miles. It has 454 TBI engine with front disc brakes and rear drum. The GVWR is 12,300, front GAWR is 4,880, rear GAWR is 10,000. Initial measured weights (me, wife, daughter, but no supplies, minimal fuel, water, etc) with 2,360lb horse trailer (no horse) in tow are: Front = 4,220, RV total = 11,800, RV+ trailer = 14,200. The chassis is 159” wheelbase; P31432.

Last week I completed the installation of Moog lower ball joints, new brake pads, brake bleed and Stengel Bros coil springs (PN 350-6560SD). The springs are rated at 3789 lbs each. I made a Guestimate that the stock springs were rated at 2789 lbs (??) and purchased these springs hoping to get rid of the airbags and gain an inch or two in lift. I ended up with a little over 3” of lift and now concerned that these springs are too much and will have to be replaced with 3289lb springs instead. My current/wishful thinking is to continue with rear end work/inspection/measurements and once complete, load her up for real; right now my wife has gutted the inside for renovation, so it will be a while before I can test drive it. I measured the suspension clearances after the new coils were installed and have RR = 4-1/8” , LR=4-1/2”, RF = 5-1/8”, LF = 5-1/4”. The chassis/frame currently sets about dead level, but it is not loaded at all, not to mention the horse trailer. Per the “P Chassis for Motorhomes General Information for Alignment, 5” is the max height listed in the table to determine proper caster. Am I dreaming that the 5+” of height could be okay? Comments, advice and experience welcome…………………

For reference, work completed to date includes; new oil, water and trans temp gauges, hitch reinforcement, trailer connector and wiring, front/rear sway bar bushings, Dale deep trans pan, radiator flush, SS bell crank, steering damper, brake pads, repack wheel bearings, thermostat and hoses. Work still planned includes; oil change, inspect spark plugs/wires, new master cylinder (mine is pile of rust)/fluid flush, rear brakes, brake controller installation, rear-end fluid change, shackle bushings, drum brake job, power steering fluid change and finally front-end alignment.

Thanks, Greg

38 Replies

  • I would take it to a good alignment shop and let them line it up.. If they can get the camber within specs I would not worry about it.. Also I have the same rig and it has disc brakes on the rear.. Maybe your does too..
  • Simply put and for getting it right, you weigh the front loaded and pick your weight rating before ordering. Always allow for a cushion, which is sort of built in with the application ranges listed with HENDERSON SUPER STEER coils and the only ones with a real reputation that I'm familiar with. If one will look at the P30 suspension specs., I believe you'll find that 1 3/4 - 2 1/2" is about what's required between the stops, so that you can even align the thing properly and most sure, the OP would have run across all this info, with researching the forums.
  • Read page 16&18. Here I weighed my Moho and purchased henderson springs to match weight. 5-1/4 seems a bit much
  • Appreciate the quick responses. My fear is when fully loaded with fuel, supplies and the horse trailer the backend will be 2-3" lower than the front. I don't have any experience and don't even know if that is a problem or not. I understand from reading posts you want the load distributed as evenly as possible; I assume without overloading front/rear axle. Since the rear GAWR is so much higher, seems like it will have to bear most of the load. I also haven't decided what I might need to do to rear suspension; airbags, additional leaf, etc. I can' test drive it right now (it's killing me to wait) since the inside is being renovated, but hopefully later this week or this weekend. JayGee; you got it right - new coils added 3" of height. Total clearance from bump stop BRACKET is about 5-1/4"
    Greg
  • Personally, I would not worry about it. After all, those heights are with the rig totally unloaded. The measurements will change when loaded and should be well within specs for the alignment.
  • Do I understand that the new springs added 3 inches over the prior height, not 5 inches over the prior height? If that's correct then I would wait until I get the furnishings back in before I made any changes. The P series are a little low in the front by nature and I added springs to mine to give it a little lift. I did not get the lift you got but maybe 2-3 inch clearance from the bump stops (don't remember exactly at the moment). It drives great. Reassemble the stuff, drive, then decide would be my strategy. However, there are some very knowledgeable people on here that will respond I'm sure and may veto my opinion.

    Do the shocks still fit?
  • Gjac's avatar
    Gjac
    Explorer III
    I have a 1996 GBM Swinger that had a ride height about 3/4 inch. I installed the HD springs (6000 lbs) if I remember correctly. My front end was rated for 5500 lbs. My ride height was raised to about 3 1/2 inches. It was a much improved ride especially over expansion joints. I had the same fear of being too stiff but the supplier recommended going to a heavier spring. I was not disappointed. Have you driven it yet? How does it ride?
  • why do you think you need to drop back on the front springs. they certainly should cure the weak front end that P-30/32s had.
    bumpy