RV Blows Tire Causing Roll-Over Video

Mr.Mark wrote:
This is why lawyers stay busy. Ten different people can see the exact same thing and have 10 different views/opinions.

It is hard to know what the driver was doing, what the blowout felt like, the horror of running off of the road, etc.

I'm just glad they weren't hurt badly.

MM.

This is an awesome conclusion!! Absolutely no one knows what happened and five pages of speculation. Just hope it doesn't happen to any of you.

This is why lawyers stay busy. Ten different people can see the exact same thing and have 10 different views/opinions.

It is hard to know what the driver was doing, what the blowout felt like, the horror of running off of the road, etc.

I'm just glad they weren't hurt badly.

MM.

Kayteg1 wrote:
You can make any definitions you want, but it is clear for me that it wasn't flat tire that overturned the motorhome and not the driver error.

Actually, I took that definition from a dictionary on Google. I just happen to agree on at what point the loss of control actually occurs. In this case I can tell you that if you allow the motorhome to go all the way to the grass,......once you get on the grass, there's really no hope of gaining control. At that point there was no way to keep it from getting into the cable arrangement. You can call it luck or happenstance that there was grass, plus a downward slope, plus a cable. It was too late, anyway you cut it.
We can break down the study of the event into segments, and discuss what happened in each segment. That's how we studied aviation accidents (twice a year). You can come to some meaningful conclusions using this method.
What I take away from this motorhome accident is that if you can't maintain immediate directional control, you're pretty much tattooed.
And, it can happen to anybody.

dubdub07 wrote:

rgatijnet1 wrote:

mike brez wrote:

dubdub07 wrote:

bigred1cav wrote:
looks like speed was a major factor

Disagree.

It shure didn't help.
The truck was doing 66 mph when he got passed by the rv. I'm no expert but at the rate he passed the truck my guess he was traveling in the high 70s.

Simple to see. Would he have lost control at 20MPH? 30? 40? 50? 60?
Obviously excessive speed caused him to lose control. It is just unclear how much speed it took to exceed this drivers ability to cope with a flat tire. Front blow outs happen and very very few end up like this. This particular driver could not handle it even if he was going less than the posted speed limit.

I fail to see how 20-45 MPH can come into the fray on this one. Minimum speed is 45 MPH. We are probably not going to drive 45 MPH and since we choose to keep our speeds up (most in the MH forum regularly post their speeds as 60-75), logic has it that at speeds of 60-75 MHP the driver would still have lost control. The only thing that speed had a factor in was how far the wreckage continued to skid across the interstate.

Define "excessive". Is it a "going too fast for conditions" thing or a quantified measure of speed? 60, 70, 80 MPH??

WW

I can tell you this. There is a BIG difference in handling and comfort level in my RV between 60 and 70. BIG difference. I can't imagine 80. My RV won't even go 80. I think it was a contributing factor as to how it handled after a blowout. 10 MPH is a lot more than you think when trying to control a vehicle as large an RV.

Excessive speed for this driver was whatever speed he was going that he could not control his vehicle when HE had a flat tire. Many people have had flat tires on the highway and they do not end up flipped and on the other side of the highway.
Excessive speed is any speed that exceeds the driver's ability to control an emergency situation. Some people have great reflexes and some do not. Some people react and some people freeze/panic. It cannot be defined as a set speed that applies to everyone.

rgatijnet1 wrote:

mike brez wrote:

dubdub07 wrote:

bigred1cav wrote:
looks like speed was a major factor

Disagree.

It shure didn't help.
The truck was doing 66 mph when he got passed by the rv. I'm no expert but at the rate he passed the truck my guess he was traveling in the high 70s.

Simple to see. Would he have lost control at 20MPH? 30? 40? 50? 60?
Obviously excessive speed caused him to lose control. It is just unclear how much speed it took to exceed this drivers ability to cope with a flat tire. Front blow outs happen and very very few end up like this. This particular driver could not handle it even if he was going less than the posted speed limit.

I fail to see how 20-45 MPH can come into the fray on this one. Minimum speed is 45 MPH. We are probably not going to drive 45 MPH and since we choose to keep our speeds up (most in the MH forum regularly post their speeds as 60-75), logic has it that at speeds of 60-75 MHP the driver would still have lost control. The only thing that speed had a factor in was how far the wreckage continued to skid across the interstate.

Define "excessive". Is it a "going too fast for conditions" thing or a quantified measure of speed? 60, 70, 80 MPH??

WW

You can make any definitions you want, but it is clear for me that it wasn't flat tire that overturned the motorhome and not the driver error.

In this type of event, having control means not allowing the motorhome to deviate from straight line to more than 2 ft off the pavement. IMO by definition, if you allow it to get on the grassy downslope you did NOT have control.

under control-
(of a danger or emergency) being dealt with successfully and competently.

CD was comparing reaction in driving airplane to reaction driving motorhome and in both instances you have less than a second to do it, or is it too late.
That brings us to laws of physics.
Would the driver lost the control in the moment of tire blow up, the motorhome would vanish from the camera in less than 2 seconds.
Fact that he was able to react and drive parallel to the truck with camera gave us additional seconds of excitement.

Cloud Dancer wrote:

Bird Freak wrote:

Cloud Dancer wrote:
I've already posted what I myself see in the video.

Slow the video down and watch it frame at a time.

I don't believe it's a picture show film (with frames). All I can do is stop/start/stop/start/stop/start.....at different frequencies. And, not once do I detect that this driver ever have control of his motorhome (at any time after the tire blew out). It was out of his control, and that explains why the motorhome simply kept veering to the left, and went down the incline and became intangled with the cable. The motorhome did exactly what I would predict, when there is no corrective action by the driver.
When a front steer tire suddenly fails, there is NO time to think about what to do. You have to instantly react correctly. He didn't.
It's similar to an engine failure on the takeoff roll at 120 mph on a twin engine jet aircraft. If you fail to immediately counter the adverse yaw,.....you crash.

Cloud Dancer, I certainly respect your posts but I totally believe that the driver had control once he crossed the cable wires. The cable grabbed under the motorhome causing him to flip.

I'm not trying to change minds..... but, I believe the video speaks for itself when you do a slow-motion frame by frame movement. The cable snaps the ground as it grabs something under the motorhome frame and causes it to flip.

Comparing a plane to a motorhome is not an apples to apples scenario. A motorhome never leaves the ground on it's own power.

MM.