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Jul 16, 2013

Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...

Help me weigh out all the advantages and disadvantages of a small class C. (25 or 26' or less bumper to bumper). Especially interested in hearing from families that camp in a smallish C.

Right now we have a 5th wheel. It's great, has tons of features, space, storage, but it is too cumbersome for me to drive and it stresses my husband out both with hauling ad set up.

When we got rid of our Diesel pusher, I really wanted to downsize and though I had him sold on the idea too, but oops. :) Hopefully we aren't the only ones who keep makig RV mistakes. :S But I'm hoping this can be our last mistake for a little while! ;)

My thoughts:
Smaller, and self contained (i.e., generator) means I can drive and it and use it for more things, like day trips to the beach or amusement parks, etc. (I have test driven and am comfortale with driving/parking).

Smaller size makes some campgrounds more accessible, whereas we are often too large or it's a big hassle so we avoid places we would like to try.

Smaller size and maneuverability means I could pull in or back in, which is nice when you're camping with friends, to set up awnings facing one another. Often not possible with the 5er due to slideouts/size/awnings, etc.

Definite disadvantages:
Can't sleep as many people (or is that an advantage? ;) ) We have 2 kids of our own, model we are looking at sleeps 5, might be able to squeeze a 6th in.

Loss of space. Of course this is the biggie. Smaller means we will be giving up room, storage and features. However, the model we are looking at has great storage and in my opinion everything we need. We are the type who don't spend a lot of time in the camper when we camp. I think we will be fine. Hubby is more reluctant to give up the features and space.

There is a definite lack of counter space but I don't cook in our current RV. I make things at home ahead of time and reheat, and we cook most stuff outside. We do have an outside kitchen in our current model, and I will be very, very sad to give that up (kids will no longer be able to wash hands at outside sink or use outside mini fridge, but I know there are solutions to that as well...still the outside kitchen is my favorite feature of our current camper).

I'm totally sold on the small RV (Coachmen 21qb). I know about the concerns of shoddy materials and craftsmanship. Our 5th wheel is a Coachmen and we've had some issues, I know to expect the same of a C if we do switch. I love the storage, the tank size, and the compactness. I also love that we can all sleep (2 overhead, 2 in rear queen) without having to break the dinette down to a bed unless we want to. The bathroom is tiny, but nobody in the family is over 5'10" or more than average build, so we'll be fine. Hubby also prefers to use bath houses even when we had huge shower in the diesel pusher/5er. I'm sure he'll continue to do so if we downsize.

The small C's also leave towing options too. Most C's come with a 5000lb hitch that I wouldn't dare use because the things are so overloaded before you even put anything in, but with a small c that doesn't have a slide, you've got a lot more room between your dry weight and GCWR to play with.

So what advantages and disadvantages am I missing? What do you love and hate about your small C?
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Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","id":"message:642168","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":31,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:118213"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642168"},"body":"Help me weigh out all the advantages and disadvantages of a small class C. (25 or 26' or less bumper to bumper). Especially interested in hearing from families that camp in a smallish C.

Right now we have a 5th wheel. It's great, has tons of features, space, storage, but it is too cumbersome for me to drive and it stresses my husband out both with hauling ad set up.

When we got rid of our Diesel pusher, I really wanted to downsize and though I had him sold on the idea too, but oops. :) Hopefully we aren't the only ones who keep makig RV mistakes. :S But I'm hoping this can be our last mistake for a little while! ;)

My thoughts:
Smaller, and self contained (i.e., generator) means I can drive and it and use it for more things, like day trips to the beach or amusement parks, etc. (I have test driven and am comfortale with driving/parking).

Smaller size makes some campgrounds more accessible, whereas we are often too large or it's a big hassle so we avoid places we would like to try.

Smaller size and maneuverability means I could pull in or back in, which is nice when you're camping with friends, to set up awnings facing one another. Often not possible with the 5er due to slideouts/size/awnings, etc.

Definite disadvantages:
Can't sleep as many people (or is that an advantage? ;) ) We have 2 kids of our own, model we are looking at sleeps 5, might be able to squeeze a 6th in.

Loss of space. Of course this is the biggie. Smaller means we will be giving up room, storage and features. However, the model we are looking at has great storage and in my opinion everything we need. We are the type who don't spend a lot of time in the camper when we camp. I think we will be fine. Hubby is more reluctant to give up the features and space.

There is a definite lack of counter space but I don't cook in our current RV. I make things at home ahead of time and reheat, and we cook most stuff outside. We do have an outside kitchen in our current model, and I will be very, very sad to give that up (kids will no longer be able to wash hands at outside sink or use outside mini fridge, but I know there are solutions to that as well...still the outside kitchen is my favorite feature of our current camper).

I'm totally sold on the small RV (Coachmen 21qb). I know about the concerns of shoddy materials and craftsmanship. Our 5th wheel is a Coachmen and we've had some issues, I know to expect the same of a C if we do switch. I love the storage, the tank size, and the compactness. I also love that we can all sleep (2 overhead, 2 in rear queen) without having to break the dinette down to a bed unless we want to. The bathroom is tiny, but nobody in the family is over 5'10\" or more than average build, so we'll be fine. Hubby also prefers to use bath houses even when we had huge shower in the diesel pusher/5er. I'm sure he'll continue to do so if we downsize.

The small C's also leave towing options too. Most C's come with a 5000lb hitch that I wouldn't dare use because the things are so overloaded before you even put anything in, but with a small c that doesn't have a slide, you've got a lot more room between your dry weight and GCWR to play with.

So what advantages and disadvantages am I missing? What do you love and hate about your small C?","body@stringLength":"3437","rawBody":"Help me weigh out all the advantages and disadvantages of a small class C. (25 or 26' or less bumper to bumper). Especially interested in hearing from families that camp in a smallish C.

Right now we have a 5th wheel. It's great, has tons of features, space, storage, but it is too cumbersome for me to drive and it stresses my husband out both with hauling ad set up.

When we got rid of our Diesel pusher, I really wanted to downsize and though I had him sold on the idea too, but oops. :) Hopefully we aren't the only ones who keep makig RV mistakes. :S But I'm hoping this can be our last mistake for a little while! ;)

My thoughts:
Smaller, and self contained (i.e., generator) means I can drive and it and use it for more things, like day trips to the beach or amusement parks, etc. (I have test driven and am comfortale with driving/parking).

Smaller size makes some campgrounds more accessible, whereas we are often too large or it's a big hassle so we avoid places we would like to try.

Smaller size and maneuverability means I could pull in or back in, which is nice when you're camping with friends, to set up awnings facing one another. Often not possible with the 5er due to slideouts/size/awnings, etc.

Definite disadvantages:
Can't sleep as many people (or is that an advantage? ;) ) We have 2 kids of our own, model we are looking at sleeps 5, might be able to squeeze a 6th in.

Loss of space. Of course this is the biggie. Smaller means we will be giving up room, storage and features. However, the model we are looking at has great storage and in my opinion everything we need. We are the type who don't spend a lot of time in the camper when we camp. I think we will be fine. Hubby is more reluctant to give up the features and space.

There is a definite lack of counter space but I don't cook in our current RV. I make things at home ahead of time and reheat, and we cook most stuff outside. We do have an outside kitchen in our current model, and I will be very, very sad to give that up (kids will no longer be able to wash hands at outside sink or use outside mini fridge, but I know there are solutions to that as well...still the outside kitchen is my favorite feature of our current camper).

I'm totally sold on the small RV (Coachmen 21qb). I know about the concerns of shoddy materials and craftsmanship. Our 5th wheel is a Coachmen and we've had some issues, I know to expect the same of a C if we do switch. I love the storage, the tank size, and the compactness. I also love that we can all sleep (2 overhead, 2 in rear queen) without having to break the dinette down to a bed unless we want to. The bathroom is tiny, but nobody in the family is over 5'10\" or more than average build, so we'll be fine. Hubby also prefers to use bath houses even when we had huge shower in the diesel pusher/5er. I'm sure he'll continue to do so if we downsize.

The small C's also leave towing options too. Most C's come with a 5000lb hitch that I wouldn't dare use because the things are so overloaded before you even put anything in, but with a small c that doesn't have a slide, you've got a lot more room between your dry weight and GCWR to play with.

So what advantages and disadvantages am I missing? What do you love and hate about your small C?","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T09:09:20.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Class C","text":"Class C","time":"2002-02-25T19:07:57.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642168_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":6080},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Help me weigh out all the advantages and disadvantages of a small class C. 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bout2buy wrote:
and also the dinette and jacknife sofa don't afford comfortable adult sleeping.
That's where the kids sleep! :) Actually, I sleep on the jackknife sofa very comfortably. I put down a 1\" memory foam topper and my sleeping bag and I'm comfy.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T15:30:54.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T15:30:54.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642189","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"287","rawBody":"
bout2buy wrote:
and also the dinette and jacknife sofa don't afford comfortable adult sleeping.
That's where the kids sleep! :) Actually, I sleep on the jackknife sofa very comfortably. I put down a 1\" memory foam topper and my sleeping bag and I'm comfy.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642189_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:12422":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:12422","uid":12422,"login":"Snowman9000","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-01-07T17:35:36.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:12422"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642188":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642188","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642188":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:12422"},"id":"message:642188","revisionNum":1,"uid":642188,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642188"},"body":"GVWR. I don't think you'll have a problem with a 350/3500 chassis at that length.

One thing, in reading all your thoughts, is that it seems like you might be trying too hard to convince yourself. You listed a lot of things that you have grown to like, but you won't have any longer. I think the bottom line is, will you really do the day trips, girls weekends, etc.? If not, then a trailer makes more sense for a one destination camping vacation with kids, IMO.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T13:41:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T13:41:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642188","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"476","rawBody":"GVWR. I don't think you'll have a problem with a 350/3500 chassis at that length.

One thing, in reading all your thoughts, is that it seems like you might be trying too hard to convince yourself. You listed a lot of things that you have grown to like, but you won't have any longer. I think the bottom line is, will you really do the day trips, girls weekends, etc.? If not, then a trailer makes more sense for a one destination camping vacation with kids, IMO.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642188_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642187":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642187","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642187":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:12422"},"id":"message:642187","revisionNum":1,"uid":642187,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642187"},"body":"Does DH know the saying \"if DW isn't happy, nobody is happy\"?
:)

Some random thoughts. We have a 23' B+, sleeps only two. Ease of driving, parking, site selection, all great!

Build quality. I'm OK with buying entry level. The biggest drawback in my mind is that certain build practices lead to leaks sooner. Such a unit can be improved as far as leak resistance, with some preventative maintenance. It takes an owner who is willing to find out what to do and how to do it. The work is pretty simple, though. We'll save that for another discussion.

Sleeping. You know the obvious benefit of the over cab bed. You'd have to have one.

Rainy day seating. Well, that's never easy. You have two full time beds, two cab seats, and the dinette. Tight, yes, but anyone who wants to get away from the dinette can do it. These days I think the TV is less and less important to kids.

TV. You know, there are plenty of wireless TV gizmos these days. with a little creative thinking, the first TV or a small second one could be completely portable, needing only a power cord.

Tank capacities. Well they could be bigger for sure. But if you have hookups, what does it matter. And if you don't, you just take ten minutes and make the rig roadworthy, and drive it over to the dump station and back. Doesn't sound like much of an issue for you guys.

Storage. Lots of options for hitch mounted trays, boxes, pods and such. We bought an aluminum tray about 24x48 from Harbor Freight on sale for less than $100. It's a name brand and good quality. You can strap a lot of bulky krap on such a tray. Anyway, if you drive to one place per trip, you can carry stuff in the shower, on the bed, etc etc.

Towing. We haven't done it yet. We expect to at some point. Doesn't sound like that's a big deal for you. If you tow, your dinghy becomes your storage.

More later, if I think of something.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T13:18:39.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T13:18:39.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642187","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1995","rawBody":"Does DH know the saying \"if DW isn't happy, nobody is happy\"?
:)

Some random thoughts. We have a 23' B+, sleeps only two. Ease of driving, parking, site selection, all great!

Build quality. I'm OK with buying entry level. The biggest drawback in my mind is that certain build practices lead to leaks sooner. Such a unit can be improved as far as leak resistance, with some preventative maintenance. It takes an owner who is willing to find out what to do and how to do it. The work is pretty simple, though. We'll save that for another discussion.

Sleeping. You know the obvious benefit of the over cab bed. You'd have to have one.

Rainy day seating. Well, that's never easy. You have two full time beds, two cab seats, and the dinette. Tight, yes, but anyone who wants to get away from the dinette can do it. These days I think the TV is less and less important to kids.

TV. You know, there are plenty of wireless TV gizmos these days. with a little creative thinking, the first TV or a small second one could be completely portable, needing only a power cord.

Tank capacities. Well they could be bigger for sure. But if you have hookups, what does it matter. And if you don't, you just take ten minutes and make the rig roadworthy, and drive it over to the dump station and back. Doesn't sound like much of an issue for you guys.

Storage. Lots of options for hitch mounted trays, boxes, pods and such. We bought an aluminum tray about 24x48 from Harbor Freight on sale for less than $100. It's a name brand and good quality. You can strap a lot of bulky krap on such a tray. Anyway, if you drive to one place per trip, you can carry stuff in the shower, on the bed, etc etc.

Towing. We haven't done it yet. We expect to at some point. Doesn't sound like that's a big deal for you. If you tow, your dinghy becomes your storage.

More later, if I think of something.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642187_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:1952":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1952","uid":1952,"login":"Holiday27","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-12-12T08:55:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1952"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642186":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642186","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642186":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1952"},"id":"message:642186","revisionNum":1,"uid":642186,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642186"},"body":"Having had a 22ft. class C I can tell you I much prefer our 28ft(bumper to bumper). Especially with 2 little ones. I think we outgrew the 22ft before I bought it! Our 28ft. has a jack knife sofa in place of a dinette in the slide and we love it. I would recommend 1 slide or 2 if you can swing it. Good luck with your search!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T12:55:51.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T12:55:51.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":312},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642186","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"325","rawBody":"Having had a 22ft. class C I can tell you I much prefer our 28ft(bumper to bumper). Especially with 2 little ones. I think we outgrew the 22ft before I bought it! Our 28ft. has a jack knife sofa in place of a dinette in the slide and we love it. I would recommend 1 slide or 2 if you can swing it. Good luck with your search!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642186_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642185":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642185","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642185":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:118213"},"id":"message:642185","revisionNum":1,"uid":642185,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642185"},"body":"mockturtle, it is a tough call! The floorplans with the sofa and dinette do give you more sitting room, and a bigger bathroom too! But, the tradeoff is losing that basement storage that would be under the bed, and also the dinette and jacknife sofa don't afford comfortable adult sleeping. I checked out a Winnie outlook 25f and loved it--it even had a slide. However, even with winnebago's sofa and dinette being leaps and bounds better quality than coachmen, they still weren't comfy or large enough.

Aside from putting a swivel on the passenger seat, I know there's no way to increase seating in the 21qb or rear corner bed models. these are the trades. Thanks for helping me think through them! This has been very helpful for sure!

If it rains too much, this gal will unplug her mini motorhome and drive to the nearest mall and either shop or catch a movie! :D","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T12:50:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T12:50:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":215},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642185","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"896","rawBody":"mockturtle, it is a tough call! The floorplans with the sofa and dinette do give you more sitting room, and a bigger bathroom too! But, the tradeoff is losing that basement storage that would be under the bed, and also the dinette and jacknife sofa don't afford comfortable adult sleeping. I checked out a Winnie outlook 25f and loved it--it even had a slide. However, even with winnebago's sofa and dinette being leaps and bounds better quality than coachmen, they still weren't comfy or large enough.

Aside from putting a swivel on the passenger seat, I know there's no way to increase seating in the 21qb or rear corner bed models. these are the trades. Thanks for helping me think through them! This has been very helpful for sure!

If it rains too much, this gal will unplug her mini motorhome and drive to the nearest mall and either shop or catch a movie! :D","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642185_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642184":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642184","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642184":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:953"},"id":"message:642184","revisionNum":1,"uid":642184,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642184"},"body":"For a family, I would recommend one with a cabover queen, pullout sofa and a dinette which also makes into a bed. Don't waste living space with a permanent bed. I love my 24'+ Class C and it has everything I need.

As others have pointed out, most of your time will be spent outdoors but you will still need enough comfortable seating indoors for those rainy days and for traveling.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T12:19:32.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T12:19:32.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":209},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642184","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"395","rawBody":"For a family, I would recommend one with a cabover queen, pullout sofa and a dinette which also makes into a bed. Don't waste living space with a permanent bed. I love my 24'+ Class C and it has everything I need.

As others have pointed out, most of your time will be spent outdoors but you will still need enough comfortable seating indoors for those rainy days and for traveling.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642184_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642183":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642183","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642183":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:118213"},"id":"message:642183","revisionNum":1,"uid":642183,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642183"},"body":"I'm pretty sold on this floor plan...I like the underbody storage the rear bed affords, and also like the idea of not having to convert the dinette to a bed. Lazy Daze, phoenix, bornfree all would be far superior in craftsmanship and quality I know.

I did actually look into Winnebago's verso of this floorplan but it has small tanks and storage, and a lot of the included stuff (like TVs) are optional on the Winnie which further drives up the price.

The affordability of this model is also a bonus, although I know what that means as far as trade-off in quality. I'd love to have nicer fit and finish, but I also look at it this way...it's easier not to cry when my 7 year old \"accidentally\" rips a dinette cushion on a $50k coach than a $89K version.

Although, the spendier models are probably a little more resistant to childrens' antics, and will also have a higher resale value later. Hoping to not have to trade this one in too soon though!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T12:18:23.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T12:18:23.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":209},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642183","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"989","rawBody":"I'm pretty sold on this floor plan...I like the underbody storage the rear bed affords, and also like the idea of not having to convert the dinette to a bed. Lazy Daze, phoenix, bornfree all would be far superior in craftsmanship and quality I know.

I did actually look into Winnebago's verso of this floorplan but it has small tanks and storage, and a lot of the included stuff (like TVs) are optional on the Winnie which further drives up the price.

The affordability of this model is also a bonus, although I know what that means as far as trade-off in quality. I'd love to have nicer fit and finish, but I also look at it this way...it's easier not to cry when my 7 year old \"accidentally\" rips a dinette cushion on a $50k coach than a $89K version.

Although, the spendier models are probably a little more resistant to childrens' antics, and will also have a higher resale value later. Hoping to not have to trade this one in too soon though!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:642183_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:642182":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:642182","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:642182":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:118213"},"id":"message:642182","revisionNum":1,"uid":642182,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:642168"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:642168"},"subject":"Re: Small Class C owners, I want to hear from you...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:642182"},"body":"This is great guys! Keep it coming!

I was worried about the fact that the swing-over TV isn't operational while we're riding down the road, but hubby remindind me that the kids prefer the ipads/ipods as far as watchig movies or playing games. Seating/confinement on rainy days will be an issue. Sadly, if it's pouring more than 24 hours, hubby is of the opinion that we unplug and go home. LOL. Anything less than 4* is roughing it to him. However in such a small unit I might be inclined to agree with him.

The small holding tanks will be an adjustment. Frankly, I'd give up some (a lot) of the 50 gallon fresh tank in exchange for more black/gray. We have yet to camp anywhere without full hookups. It's one of the hubby's many requirements. I think we could manage just fine for 1-2 days on 22/25 tanks (Just me and the 2 kids...hubby won't be joining us if we dry camp! LOL!). Definitely things to consider though.

Still have the 6 gallon water heater...that's all we have now and that's all the diesel pusher had. So we will still be OK there.

I'd love to have a born free, lazy daze or phoenix (or anything better built than a coachman!). Lazy daze doesn't have a floorplan I like, although they may build to suit.

We actually just looked at a B+ and while it was built a lot nicer (cabinets, light fixtures, countertops and floor materials, etc.) it made me realize I must have the sleeping/storage space over the cab, and also the storage outside.

I did convert the dinette to the bed and it's short and narrow for sure. Definitely for the 10 and under crowd in my opinion. However, I was shocked when I crawled into the cab bed. The corner bed is 60x80, and the cab is 57x95...shockingly spacious.

I can already tell the corner bed will be a pain to change sheets on, but I've already got the sleep sack travel sheets which solve that problem (like a queen size sleeping bag made of sheet material that you put on top of the bed). Easy to wash and replace, and toss in the storage compartment when not in use to keep the bed looking like the brochure! LOL I'll probably be buying another for the top bunk, althogh I have a couple twin size ones that will work for now...each kid can use their own. I wish I was handy with a sewing machine...I'd make my own and save a lot of money, but they're worth the investment for me for ease of making camping beds and washing!

I also stood in the shower...it's definitely not roomy. I'll need to make up my mind which way I want to face before I climb in! But, it's certainly workable and again, every place we've been has bath houses if I decide I can't stand it.

Forgot to check and see if it comes with a spare tire! I don't remember seeing one!

What else...microwave is small but I can work with that. Fridge is also very small but again, it's a small motorhome, everything is downsized! Plenty of room for coolers in the storage compartments.

To address the seating, I may invest in one of those swivel jobs to make the passenger seat swivel around when not driving. Will have to take some measurements and see how well that will work, but it might add another useable seat. Won't be able to see the TV but I usually don't care to watch yet another episode of Scooby Doo!

Sinks are very small too. It's ok though, I do most of my dishwashing in tubs outside since I cook outside, and just funnel the gray water into our sewer pipe. Our diesel pusher had a residential size sink, but I learned the hard way letting a pan soak overnight stunk up the house! Better to let it soak outside, and much easier to wash and scrub in a bigger rubbermaid tub, with another to rinse.

The biggest thing I'm reluctant to give up is our outside kitchen, but even that can be replaced. I just need a way for the kids to wash their hands outside (without tracking dirt and bugs into the camper!). The mini fridge, well we will be doing without that, but a cooler can hold those drinks just fine. No more popsicles in the outside freezer though. Boo!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T12:06:00.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T12:06:00.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":209},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642182","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"4185","rawBody":"This is great guys! Keep it coming!

I was worried about the fact that the swing-over TV isn't operational while we're riding down the road, but hubby remindind me that the kids prefer the ipads/ipods as far as watchig movies or playing games. Seating/confinement on rainy days will be an issue. Sadly, if it's pouring more than 24 hours, hubby is of the opinion that we unplug and go home. LOL. Anything less than 4* is roughing it to him. However in such a small unit I might be inclined to agree with him.

The small holding tanks will be an adjustment. Frankly, I'd give up some (a lot) of the 50 gallon fresh tank in exchange for more black/gray. We have yet to camp anywhere without full hookups. It's one of the hubby's many requirements. I think we could manage just fine for 1-2 days on 22/25 tanks (Just me and the 2 kids...hubby won't be joining us if we dry camp! LOL!). Definitely things to consider though.

Still have the 6 gallon water heater...that's all we have now and that's all the diesel pusher had. So we will still be OK there.

I'd love to have a born free, lazy daze or phoenix (or anything better built than a coachman!). Lazy daze doesn't have a floorplan I like, although they may build to suit.

We actually just looked at a B+ and while it was built a lot nicer (cabinets, light fixtures, countertops and floor materials, etc.) it made me realize I must have the sleeping/storage space over the cab, and also the storage outside.

I did convert the dinette to the bed and it's short and narrow for sure. Definitely for the 10 and under crowd in my opinion. However, I was shocked when I crawled into the cab bed. The corner bed is 60x80, and the cab is 57x95...shockingly spacious.

I can already tell the corner bed will be a pain to change sheets on, but I've already got the sleep sack travel sheets which solve that problem (like a queen size sleeping bag made of sheet material that you put on top of the bed). Easy to wash and replace, and toss in the storage compartment when not in use to keep the bed looking like the brochure! LOL I'll probably be buying another for the top bunk, althogh I have a couple twin size ones that will work for now...each kid can use their own. I wish I was handy with a sewing machine...I'd make my own and save a lot of money, but they're worth the investment for me for ease of making camping beds and washing!

I also stood in the shower...it's definitely not roomy. I'll need to make up my mind which way I want to face before I climb in! But, it's certainly workable and again, every place we've been has bath houses if I decide I can't stand it.

Forgot to check and see if it comes with a spare tire! I don't remember seeing one!

What else...microwave is small but I can work with that. Fridge is also very small but again, it's a small motorhome, everything is downsized! Plenty of room for coolers in the storage compartments.

To address the seating, I may invest in one of those swivel jobs to make the passenger seat swivel around when not driving. Will have to take some measurements and see how well that will work, but it might add another useable seat. Won't be able to see the TV but I usually don't care to watch yet another episode of Scooby Doo!

Sinks are very small too. It's ok though, I do most of my dishwashing in tubs outside since I cook outside, and just funnel the gray water into our sewer pipe. Our diesel pusher had a residential size sink, but I learned the hard way letting a pan soak overnight stunk up the house! Better to let it soak outside, and much easier to wash and scrub in a bigger rubbermaid tub, with another to rinse.

The biggest thing I'm reluctant to give up is our outside kitchen, but even that can be replaced. I just need a way for the kids to wash their hands outside (without tracking dirt and bugs into the camper!). The mini fridge, well we will be doing without that, but a cooler can hold those drinks just fine. No more popsicles in the outside freezer though. 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We think it is the perfect size for the two of us, although we have slept 3 or 4 persons a few times. It does get crowded inside with 4 people when our one slide is in. We wouldn't be without the slide. It makes a huge difference.

I looked at the floor plan for the Coachmen 21qb at their website. Several concerns I have - none of which may be of concern to you.

- the 21qb is on the Ford E350 chassis, which has a GVWR of 12,500 lbs. The CCC for this unit could be an issue, although the lack of a slide saves some of the empty weight.

- The grey and black tanks are small at 25 and 22 gallons. Not a problem if you always camp with hookups, but water conservation will be important if you do much dry camping.

- The only place to sit in the living area is the U-shaped dinette. Seems like that would get old for 4 people very quickly. Also, the TV is located in the cab over. Have to wonder whether 4 people could comfortably watch from the U-shaped dinette on those rainy days.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-07-16T11:23:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-07-16T11:23:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":209},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:642168/message:642180","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1106","rawBody":"After years of tent camping, we bought our 24 ft Class C back in 2003. We think it is the perfect size for the two of us, although we have slept 3 or 4 persons a few times. It does get crowded inside with 4 people when our one slide is in. We wouldn't be without the slide. It makes a huge difference.

I looked at the floor plan for the Coachmen 21qb at their website. Several concerns I have - none of which may be of concern to you.

- the 21qb is on the Ford E350 chassis, which has a GVWR of 12,500 lbs. The CCC for this unit could be an issue, although the lack of a slide saves some of the empty weight.

- The grey and black tanks are small at 25 and 22 gallons. Not a problem if you always camp with hookups, but water conservation will be important if you do much dry camping.

- The only place to sit in the living area is the U-shaped dinette. Seems like that would get old for 4 people very quickly. Also, the TV is located in the cab over. 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