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KendallP
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Sep 23, 2021

Tires - The 10 Year Rule

Hey gang,

Regarding big, DP tires...

I know most adhere to this rule and some prefer to replace tires within 7 years or so of date code. Others replace the steers every 5 and the drives every 10. Others still will have them all removed and the interiors inspected before giving up on them. Etc, etc...

I'm inclined to err on the side of caution, myself, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. And to see if anything has changed in the last 5 years since this thread.

So given...

6 - Toyo M-154 265/75R22.5 tires with 10,000 miles

Installed March of '13, but approaching 10 years of date code

Babied and covered most of their lives, in beautiful (where visible) condition with no checks

Entire lives in Santa Cruz with a very mild climate. Last couple of years undriven and parked without the jacks down and uncovered with driver's side facing south (the sun... and Central California coastal fog)

On a Freightliner/Cat chassis running fairly close to GVWR / tire max

Replacement cost - $3,100

What would you do?


EDIT: Here's a good read posted by dougrainer 5 years ago. The study indicates 6 years is the maximum for safety. Though it appears to be general tire specific. No mention of commercial, one way or the other.

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Documents/2014_Tire_Safety_SYM_Panel_4b_Kane.pdf

Also... some seem to indicate that commercial truck tires are more robust than RV tires, despite the size. I can say this... the Toyos are spec-ed at 99 lbs vs 90 for the OEM Michelins. All that said... they also undergo more severe punishment.
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  • mike_brez's avatar
    mike_brez
    Explorer
    Oct 17, 2021
    My 10 year old Samson’s. Kinda looks like a sign post.
    Big Bang at 65mph no damage inside rear passenger dual.

  • larry_barnhart's avatar
    larry_barnhart
    Explorer
    Oct 17, 2021
    I just help a class C owner level his rv. Older and they were young so I told him I don't know what you know so I want to help by telling you are so out of level I can't believe you can stand it that way. After we fixed the issue I told him about old tires and he said the fronts are new. Date was 3318 so I explained how I buy tires to get as fresh as possible and never had any tire issues since we started in 1996. never went over 5 years. chevman
  • crawford's avatar
    crawford
    Explorer
    Oct 16, 2021
    Desert Captain wrote:
    "The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest."

    Actually I brought this up back on the second page of this discussion, just sayin...

    "Admittedly Arizona is a tough environment on all tires but these had been meticulously maintained and always run at the correct psi for the loads they carried. Obviously opinions vary but IMHO if your tires are over 5 years old you are rolling the dice... place your bets."

    Clearly we agree. I have spent long days driving in 112 - 115 degrees and cannot even imagine just how hot the road surface actually is. Conversely as winter appears ready to pounce early this year freezing temperatures, snow and ice are all too common throughout most of Arizona {the average elevation of Arizona is north of 4,000' and we have lots of 9,000'+ passes to negotiate}.

    The truth is in the real world there is no arbitrary ten, seven or even five year rule per se. One must always take into consideration not only how but where your tires are being used and then decide, as in "Do ya feel lucky punk? Well ,do ya???" :S

    Here is a shot of us in the "Dead Zone" 30 miles west of Phoenix on I-10:





    This is the reason I go rid of my C Class 16 in LT tires do not belong on those rigs ........

    :B
  • KendallP's avatar
    KendallP
    Explorer
    Oct 14, 2021
    For the record, the rig now has 6 new Toyo M-154s. Date codes around 4 months ago.
  • KendallP's avatar
    KendallP
    Explorer
    Oct 12, 2021
    CapriRacer wrote:
    The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest.

    And why don't today's tires last longer?

    1) Law of Physics (and Chemistry) don't change over time.
    2) They didn't, but we have the Internet today and that changes how people perceive things.
    3) Then there is this odd thing that our brains do: We think the Good-Old-Days(TM) were better - somehow. Actual statistics don't bear this out.

    I think he meant that tire technology has improved and tires last longer than they did in those days of yore.

    Also... this from the OP...

    "Babied and covered most of their lives, in beautiful (where visible) condition with no checks

    Entire lives in Santa Cruz with a very mild climate. Last couple of years undriven and parked without the jacks down and uncovered with driver's side facing south (the sun... and Central California coastal fog)"
  • Desert_Captain's avatar
    Desert_Captain
    Explorer III
    Oct 12, 2021
    "The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest."

    Actually I brought this up back on the second page of this discussion, just sayin...

    "Admittedly Arizona is a tough environment on all tires but these had been meticulously maintained and always run at the correct psi for the loads they carried. Obviously opinions vary but IMHO if your tires are over 5 years old you are rolling the dice... place your bets."

    Clearly we agree. I have spent long days driving in 112 - 115 degrees and cannot even imagine just how hot the road surface actually is. Conversely as winter appears ready to pounce early this year freezing temperatures, snow and ice are all too common throughout most of Arizona {the average elevation of Arizona is north of 4,000' and we have lots of 9,000'+ passes to negotiate}.

    The truth is in the real world there is no arbitrary ten, seven or even five year rule per se. One must always take into consideration not only how but where your tires are being used and then decide, as in "Do ya feel lucky punk? Well ,do ya???" :S

    Here is a shot of us in the "Dead Zone" 30 miles west of Phoenix on I-10:






    :B
  • wa8yxm's avatar
    wa8yxm
    Explorer III
    Oct 12, 2021
    LandYacht35diesel wrote:
    DOESNT the speed of what you cruise at AND PROPER air pressures determine much of this ?

    "

    under/over inflation reduces tire life.
    Excess speed likewise
    But none of this has anything to do with the age rules. which may be 10 or less (one state law is 8 years I'm told but have not verified)
  • CapriRacer's avatar
    CapriRacer
    Explorer II
    Oct 12, 2021
    LandYacht35diesel wrote:
    DOESNT the speed of what you cruise at AND PROPER air pressures determine much of this ?

    And OTHER THINGS to consider is ... that all this is just a tire company GAME to sell more tires. AND WHY ... don’t tires last way WAY longer than the yesterYEAR ones did ?


    Yes, there are a lot of variables when it comes to tire aging - operating speed and inflation pressure among them.

    The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest.

    And why don't today's tires last longer?

    1) Law of Physics (and Chemistry) don't change over time.
    2) They didn't, but we have the Internet today and that changes how people perceive things.
    3) Then there is this odd thing that our brains do: We think the Good-Old-Days(TM) were better - somehow. Actual statistics don't bear this out.
  • LandYacht35dies's avatar
    LandYacht35dies
    Explorer
    Oct 11, 2021
    DOESNT the speed of what you cruise at AND PROPER air pressures determine much of this ?

    And OTHER THINGS to consider is ... that all this is just a tire company GAME to sell more tires. AND WHY ... don’t tires last way WAY longer than the yesterYEAR ones did ?
  • dougrainer's avatar
    dougrainer
    Nomad
    Sep 25, 2021
    Years ago, a retired Tire Engineer from I believe Goodyear used to give Tire seminars at FMCA and Good Sam rally's. He used a Potato salad analogy to let people determine how good a tire looks versus its age or mileage(lack of mileage) I will Readers Digest the tale
    1. Wife makes the Potato salad for a large Family gathering and puts it out that mid morning ON A WARM DAY.
    2. Later that evening Wife tells Husband to put Salad in refer
    3. Husband forgets
    4. The next morning Husband walks out and sees the Potato salad and realizes he is in deep trouble with wife
    5. He covers the Salad and puts it back in the refer and tells no one.
    6. WOULD ANY NORMAL PERSON THEN EAT THE POTATO SALAD?????????
    7. SAME with Tires that show no deterioation but are old and have very few miles

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Regarding big, DP tires...

I know most adhere to this rule and some prefer to replace tires within 7 years or so of date code. Others replace the steers every 5 and the drives every 10. Others still will have them all removed and the interiors inspected before giving up on them. Etc, etc...

I'm inclined to err on the side of caution, myself, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. And to see if anything has changed in the last 5 years since this thread.

So given...

6 - Toyo M-154 265/75R22.5 tires with 10,000 miles

Installed March of '13, but approaching 10 years of date code

Babied and covered most of their lives, in beautiful (where visible) condition with no checks

Entire lives in Santa Cruz with a very mild climate. Last couple of years undriven and parked without the jacks down and uncovered with driver's side facing south (the sun... and Central California coastal fog)

On a Freightliner/Cat chassis running fairly close to GVWR / tire max

Replacement cost - $3,100

What would you do?


EDIT: Here's a good read posted by dougrainer 5 years ago. The study indicates 6 years is the maximum for safety. Though it appears to be general tire specific. No mention of commercial, one way or the other.

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Documents/2014_Tire_Safety_SYM_Panel_4b_Kane.pdf

Also... some seem to indicate that commercial truck tires are more robust than RV tires, despite the size. I can say this... the Toyos are spec-ed at 99 lbs vs 90 for the OEM Michelins. All that said... they also undergo more severe punishment.
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Regarding big, DP tires...

I know most adhere to this rule and some prefer to replace tires within 7 years or so of date code. Others replace the steers every 5 and the drives every 10. Others still will have them all removed and the interiors inspected before giving up on them. Etc, etc...

I'm inclined to err on the side of caution, myself, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. And to see if anything has changed in the last 5 years since this thread.

So given...

6 - Toyo M-154 265/75R22.5 tires with 10,000 miles

Installed March of '13, but approaching 10 years of date code

Babied and covered most of their lives, in beautiful (where visible) condition with no checks

Entire lives in Santa Cruz with a very mild climate. Last couple of years undriven and parked without the jacks down and uncovered with driver's side facing south (the sun... and Central California coastal fog)

On a Freightliner/Cat chassis running fairly close to GVWR / tire max

Replacement cost - $3,100

What would you do?


EDIT: Here's a good read posted by dougrainer 5 years ago. The study indicates 6 years is the maximum for safety. Though it appears to be general tire specific. No mention of commercial, one way or the other.

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Documents/2014_Tire_Safety_SYM_Panel_4b_Kane.pdf

Also... some seem to indicate that commercial truck tires are more robust than RV tires, despite the size. I can say this... the Toyos are spec-ed at 99 lbs vs 90 for the OEM Michelins. All that said... they also undergo more severe punishment.
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Big Bang at 65mph no damage inside rear passenger dual.

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Desert Captain wrote:
\"The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest.\"

Actually I brought this up back on the second page of this discussion, just sayin...

\"Admittedly Arizona is a tough environment on all tires but these had been meticulously maintained and always run at the correct psi for the loads they carried. Obviously opinions vary but IMHO if your tires are over 5 years old you are rolling the dice... place your bets.\"

Clearly we agree. I have spent long days driving in 112 - 115 degrees and cannot even imagine just how hot the road surface actually is. Conversely as winter appears ready to pounce early this year freezing temperatures, snow and ice are all too common throughout most of Arizona {the average elevation of Arizona is north of 4,000' and we have lots of 9,000'+ passes to negotiate}.

The truth is in the real world there is no arbitrary ten, seven or even five year rule per se. One must always take into consideration not only how but where your tires are being used and then decide, as in \"Do ya feel lucky punk? Well ,do ya???\" :S

Here is a shot of us in the \"Dead Zone\" 30 miles west of Phoenix on I-10:





This is the reason I go rid of my C Class 16 in LT tires do not belong on those rigs ........

:B
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CapriRacer wrote:
The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest.

And why don't today's tires last longer?

1) Law of Physics (and Chemistry) don't change over time.
2) They didn't, but we have the Internet today and that changes how people perceive things.
3) Then there is this odd thing that our brains do: We think the Good-Old-Days(TM) were better - somehow. Actual statistics don't bear this out.

I think he meant that tire technology has improved and tires last longer than they did in those days of yore.

Also... this from the OP...

\"Babied and covered most of their lives, in beautiful (where visible) condition with no checks

Entire lives in Santa Cruz with a very mild climate. Last couple of years undriven and parked without the jacks down and uncovered with driver's side facing south (the sun... and Central California coastal fog)\"","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-10-12T10:24:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-12T10:24:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2760},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3487794/message:3487823","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:1071":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1071","uid":1071,"login":"Desert_Captain","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2011-02-19T18:23:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1071"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487822":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3487822","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3487822":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1071"},"id":"message:3487822","revisionNum":1,"uid":3487822,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3487794"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3487794"},"subject":"Re: Tires - The 10 Year Rule","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487822"},"body":"\"The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest.\"

Actually I brought this up back on the second page of this discussion, just sayin...

\"Admittedly Arizona is a tough environment on all tires but these had been meticulously maintained and always run at the correct psi for the loads they carried. Obviously opinions vary but IMHO if your tires are over 5 years old you are rolling the dice... place your bets.\"

Clearly we agree. I have spent long days driving in 112 - 115 degrees and cannot even imagine just how hot the road surface actually is. Conversely as winter appears ready to pounce early this year freezing temperatures, snow and ice are all too common throughout most of Arizona {the average elevation of Arizona is north of 4,000' and we have lots of 9,000'+ passes to negotiate}.

The truth is in the real world there is no arbitrary ten, seven or even five year rule per se. One must always take into consideration not only how but where your tires are being used and then decide, as in \"Do ya feel lucky punk? Well ,do ya???\" :S

Here is a shot of us in the \"Dead Zone\" 30 miles west of Phoenix on I-10:






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LandYacht35diesel wrote:
DOESNT the speed of what you cruise at AND PROPER air pressures determine much of this ?

\"

under/over inflation reduces tire life.
Excess speed likewise
But none of this has anything to do with the age rules. which may be 10 or less (one state law is 8 years I'm told but have not verified)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-10-12T04:14:52.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-12T04:14:52.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2810},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3487794/message:3487821","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:216018":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:216018","uid":216018,"login":"CapriRacer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-01-27T10:29:42.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:216018"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487820":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3487820","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3487820":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:216018"},"id":"message:3487820","revisionNum":1,"uid":3487820,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3487794"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3487794"},"subject":"Re: Tires - The 10 Year Rule","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487820"},"body":"
LandYacht35diesel wrote:
DOESNT the speed of what you cruise at AND PROPER air pressures determine much of this ?

And OTHER THINGS to consider is ... that all this is just a tire company GAME to sell more tires. AND WHY ... don’t tires last way WAY longer than the yesterYEAR ones did ?


Yes, there are a lot of variables when it comes to tire aging - operating speed and inflation pressure among them.

The one thing that has yet to be mentioned is locale. Heat, in the form of ambient temperature, plays a HUGE role in how long tires last. Obviously tires operating around Phoenix experience a lot more heat history that tires operating around Minneapolis. So if you live and/or operate in the desert SW, you need to use a more rapid replacement schedule than someone living/operating in the northern midwest.

And why don't today's tires last longer?

1) Law of Physics (and Chemistry) don't change over time.
2) They didn't, but we have the Internet today and that changes how people perceive things.
3) Then there is this odd thing that our brains do: We think the Good-Old-Days(TM) were better - somehow. Actual statistics don't bear this out.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-10-12T04:10:45.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-12T04:10:45.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2758},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3487794/message:3487820","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:359912":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:359912","uid":359912,"login":"LandYacht35dies","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2021-10-11T14:20:05.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:359912"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487819":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3487819","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3487819":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:359912"},"id":"message:3487819","revisionNum":1,"uid":3487819,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3487794"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3487794"},"subject":"Re: Tires - The 10 Year Rule","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487819"},"body":"DOESNT the speed of what you cruise at AND PROPER air pressures determine much of this ?

And OTHER THINGS to consider is ... that all this is just a tire company GAME to sell more tires. AND WHY ... don’t tires last way WAY longer than the yesterYEAR ones did ?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-10-11T15:22:49.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-10-11T15:22:49.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2804},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:3487794/message:3487819","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:50968":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:50968","uid":50968,"login":"dougrainer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-06-11T11:48:09.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:50968"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487818":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3487818","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3487818":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:50968"},"id":"message:3487818","revisionNum":1,"uid":3487818,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3487794"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3487794"},"subject":"Re: Tires - The 10 Year Rule","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3487818"},"body":"Years ago, a retired Tire Engineer from I believe Goodyear used to give Tire seminars at FMCA and Good Sam rally's. He used a Potato salad analogy to let people determine how good a tire looks versus its age or mileage(lack of mileage) I will Readers Digest the tale
1. Wife makes the Potato salad for a large Family gathering and puts it out that mid morning ON A WARM DAY.
2. Later that evening Wife tells Husband to put Salad in refer
3. Husband forgets
4. The next morning Husband walks out and sees the Potato salad and realizes he is in deep trouble with wife
5. He covers the Salad and puts it back in the refer and tells no one.
6. WOULD ANY NORMAL PERSON THEN EAT THE POTATO SALAD?????????
7. 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