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PNW_Wood
Explorer
Nov 01, 2016

Towing - Cargo - Fuel Type - Egads

Hi,

New member first post. Never had a MH and we are thinking about what it looks like to be an owner. I've read through some of the intro's and FAQ's, thank you so much for taking the time to put all that information together. I'll refer back to it numerous times I'm sure

We plan to buy a house in Mexico, along the Pacific Riviera between Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta. The discussion as it goes right now is to spend 8'ish months down there, then come back into the states for 4'ish months. We have family in Pacific NW and Texas (and AZ actually). We'd spend the June through Sept months in the states visiting family, staying away from the intolerable heat of coastal MX.

Having an RV and using that as home base when we are in the states seems to make a lot of sense to us. It allows us to bring our dog, car, etc., not have to pay for a place in the states, blah blah.

In the research I've done so far it seems ULSD is not an option in Mexico and it seems it won't be for an undetermined amount of time... so that puts me in the gas world. Fine

I plan to tow a Jeep. My impression from what I've been able to glean so far, is only the tongue weight ads to the cargo payload? Can someone confirm this? Other weight issues for towing is simply to make sure the hitch is rated to handle the weight of the toad???

For those with gas rigs - is cargo weight a constant balancing act? It seems like there are real narrow margins when it comes to the gas rigs. We aren't hauling kids and toys, but I imagine with all the variety of things you can take... camp gear type stuff, that all ads up quick. Have you gassers had buyers remorse for always being up against capacity?

So far the Coachman Mirada and Fleetwood Bounder or Flair have interior layouts that look attractive. I've not sat in any yet, just looking at floorplans and pictures. Any comments from owners on these manufacturers and models?

Thanks for feedback. Sorry for the long post, figured some context on me and our plans might help with your answers

15 Replies

  • Ivylog's avatar
    Ivylog
    Explorer III
    BobGed wrote:
    ULSD fuel is only required on vehicles built to EPA 07 standards and later. I believe the first EPA 07 engines were in model year 2008, so anything prior to that would use standard #2 diesel

    You need a 06 diesel engine and many 07 year DPs will have a 06 engine. Monaco bought up a bunch of 06 engines and I've even seen a 06 engine in a 09 Monaco. All you have to do is look at the exhaust, if it has a normal muffler... no wires or lines going to it... it's 06 or older engine.

    If you buy a big enough DP... 42' to 45' you do not need to buy a house in Mexico... go full time in the MH. Once you go that big you have a tag axle which will give you 8000+ Cargo Carrying Capacity. CCC is posted in the MH of that vintage, often behind a cabinet door in the the closet. You are correct to worry about the amount of CCC in a gas MH that you will use for four months.

    I'm at 12 years on my DP and I see no reason why it will not go another 12... probably out lasting me. You can find nice, big, 06 DPs with 50K miles for less than $100K. My insurance company will not let me have a higher stated value than $75K.

    I'll assume a home in Mexico will increase in value while a MH will definitely decrease. Subtract the cost of owning a home compared to renting a RV site from what you think the appreciation will be on the house. Is still owning for 8 months a good deal? Having to have two of many things becomes a pain, or you have to move things back and fourth to the MH.

    Sorry about throwing a different approach to your situation... Good Luck

    *PS: Welcome to the forums.:W and there is a Full Timing section in thebox above on the right.

    You are correct that only the weight of the tow bar goes against CCC BUT the weight of the jeep goes against the gross combined weight rating or gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of the MH which could decrease your CCC.
  • Dale.Traveling wrote:


    Did I confuse the you even more?


    Yes, I'm afraid so. I'm going to keep reading and eventually it will come to me.

    We are going to visit a dealer this weekend so we can actually sit inside one for a bit. My folks had a DP but other than a quick tour we never spent much time in it. Unfortunately my stepfather is gone so he can't pass on his knowledge to me.

    Anyway, I'm a visual learner, so hopefully in some of our visits a dealer can pencil out the math for me

    As a general rule I think I'm looking for a wide gap between GVWR and GCWR?
  • ULSD fuel is only required on vehicles built to EPA 07 standards and later. I believe the first EPA 07 engines were in model year 2008, so anything prior to that would use standard #2 diesel fuel which is readily available in Mexico.
  • With vehicle towed behind a coach there is minimal vertical or tongue weight added but the weight of the vehicle counts against the overall weight limits of the coach. Take an average gas coach, as an example, which might have a 22,000 pounds weight limit on the tires (aka GVWR) but an overall maximum weight of 26,000 pounds (aka GCWR) which would be when towing something. But there's an added twist. The 4000 pound difference isn't your towing limit. If you load your coach to 20,500 pounds you can use the extra 1500 pounds in what ever you might be towing. But there's another twist. You can only tow up to the maximum limit of the weakest component in the towing chain such as the hitch receiver on the coach at 5000 pounds so you lost the extra 500 pounds.

    Not just gas rigs but diesels can also be a balancing act. Comes down to the chassis the builder picked and how heavy the house they built on it. What you, as a potential buyer, have to do is research and ask question of owners who have or had a coach you might be considering and more research. Most, but not all builders will publish the coach as built weight and the cargo carrying capacity (aka CCC). The bigger the CCC the better.

    Did I confuse the you even more?
  • Pre emission diesels do not necessairly require ultra low sulfer diesel. Is it preferable? I guess, but not abaolutely necessary.