Very Bad RV Wreck in Oregon

Racklefratz wrote:

doxiemom11 wrote:
Very sad that they had stopped for the night at a Walmart and were made to leave because no parking allowed. That is why the driver was out there at night and sleepy. Had probably already been driving all day. Had no money for a tow, probably had no money for a campground "if" they could even find one.

And this, friends, is the epitome of "living beyond one's means". Who operates an RV without the means to deal with the inevitable unexpected? Decisions have consequences.

What a BS statement just maybe that's all the poor bastard had to his name and you figure everybody should have million's to back him up in hard times, not every body is rich like you by the sound of your statement, and we wonder why people are leaving the RV site, give your head a shake or call me on it.

doxiemom11 wrote:
Very sad that they had stopped for the night at a Walmart and were made to leave because no parking allowed. That is why the driver was out there at night and sleepy. Had probably already been driving all day. Had no money for a tow, probably had no money for a campground "if" they could even find one.

And this, friends, is the epitome of "living beyond one's means". Who operates an RV without the means to deal with the inevitable unexpected? Decisions have consequences.

T18skyguy wrote:

jorbill2or wrote:

T18skyguy wrote:

RedRollingRoadblock wrote:
Not that it makes much difference of the results but a couple of questions arise about the where of the crash.

"It took the Ilwaco Fire Department over an hour"... From Ilwaco it is at least a 30 minute drive to anyplace in Oregon and that includes a 5 mile drive across the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

Some of the comments in the comments section seem to come from the towing company that is located in Ocean Park, WA. Oregon State Police isn't likely to have them on the call list unless it was an extreme emergency.

And the poster that said "Most roads in Oregon have no guard rails;" must be a transplant. I am an Oregon native for 67 years and driven a vast majority of the roads in the state and have seen many miles of guardrails.

I don't doubt you've seen many miles of guardrails, but the standard is no guard rails on the majority of roads throughout the State.

I to am a lifelong Oregonian with now 4 years touring the us and sure, there are no guardrail roads in places in Oregon .. I’ve found the rest of the country no different. Where are you getting this sales tax / roads info from ? All roads .. everywhere are “built “up with gravel shoulders.
Besides this crash was mislabeled and is a Washington crash. What about Washington state guardrails? On built up roads! I think they have a high sales tax but roads are generally from the fuel tax.
Old time Oregonians are a little touchy when transplants start talking sales tax to fix problems lol

I been here 26 years, and I find that native Oregonian's lack perspective. I've lived in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Texas, California(sorry) and Oregon. I did NOT advocate for any sales tax, nor do I believe guardrails should be everywhere, but in many places, they have them where their most needed(mountain passes and such), but not Oregon. You ever go from Eugene to Sisters or the other mountain passes? No guardrails. Pennsylvania has guard rails all over the place. What does happen is occasionally when someone gets killed going over a mountainside, they make some noise about guardrails but it goes no where(nor do I think it should) Don

Well been an Oregonian for 23 years, before that a Washingtonian. Both states have guard rails where needed, and not where not needed. The job of the driver is to stay between the lines.
I drive Hwy 47 in Oregon, there are places where the fog line is the edge of the flat surface, the ditch starts on the other side. If they tried to place guard rails there the post would be exposed for 8', likely little stopping power.

I really feel for the couple in the accident, but they either both should have been in the cab, DW acting as a second set of eyes, and to keep the driver awake. OR the both should have been in the bed in the back, parked in some park, or parking lot.

Not Walmart's fault - not at all. Just a good explanation of why someone would be out there after dark driving those type of road when they were tired. It's bad enough to drive with no shoulder during the day, but even worse at night when tired.

jorbill2or wrote:

T18skyguy wrote:

RedRollingRoadblock wrote:
Not that it makes much difference of the results but a couple of questions arise about the where of the crash.

"It took the Ilwaco Fire Department over an hour"... From Ilwaco it is at least a 30 minute drive to anyplace in Oregon and that includes a 5 mile drive across the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

Some of the comments in the comments section seem to come from the towing company that is located in Ocean Park, WA. Oregon State Police isn't likely to have them on the call list unless it was an extreme emergency.

And the poster that said "Most roads in Oregon have no guard rails;" must be a transplant. I am an Oregon native for 67 years and driven a vast majority of the roads in the state and have seen many miles of guardrails.

I don't doubt you've seen many miles of guardrails, but the standard is no guard rails on the majority of roads throughout the State.

I to am a lifelong Oregonian with now 4 years touring the us and sure, there are no guardrail roads in places in Oregon .. I’ve found the rest of the country no different. Where are you getting this sales tax / roads info from ? All roads .. everywhere are “built “up with gravel shoulders.
Besides this crash was mislabeled and is a Washington crash. What about Washington state guardrails? On built up roads! I think they have a high sales tax but roads are generally from the fuel tax.
Old time Oregonians are a little touchy when transplants start talking sales tax to fix problems lol

I been here 26 years, and I find that native Oregonian's lack perspective. I've lived in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Texas, California(sorry) and Oregon. I did NOT advocate for any sales tax, nor do I believe guardrails should be everywhere, but in many places, they have them where their most needed(mountain passes and such), but not Oregon. You ever go from Eugene to Sisters or the other mountain passes? No guardrails. Pennsylvania has guard rails all over the place. What does happen is occasionally when someone gets killed going over a mountainside, they make some noise about guardrails but it goes no where(nor do I think it should) Don

I'm sorry for the folks who were in the wreck and hope that they can recover from this.

The issue for the rest of us is about what to do if you can't overnight at Walmart, and the RV parks are closed or full. When there was no other option, I have spent the night at grocery stores, at Lowes or Home Depot, and once in a church parking lot. I might get a knock on the door from security, and I might be asked to move. But I am not going to set off at night down a two-lane road with my fifth-wheel in tow.

If asked to move in a smaller town, I would try to ask the police for advice. (In a large town, I would not be there at night without a site in a safe RV park.)

(In my younger days I did a few all-night drives in four-wheeler. But that was then.)

Forget about the guardrails, just a shoulder would have been nice - yikes! Those are white knuckle roads.

T18skyguy wrote:

RedRollingRoadblock wrote:
Not that it makes much difference of the results but a couple of questions arise about the where of the crash.

"It took the Ilwaco Fire Department over an hour"... From Ilwaco it is at least a 30 minute drive to anyplace in Oregon and that includes a 5 mile drive across the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

Some of the comments in the comments section seem to come from the towing company that is located in Ocean Park, WA. Oregon State Police isn't likely to have them on the call list unless it was an extreme emergency.

And the poster that said "Most roads in Oregon have no guard rails;" must be a transplant. I am an Oregon native for 67 years and driven a vast majority of the roads in the state and have seen many miles of guardrails.

I don't doubt you've seen many miles of guardrails, but the standard is no guard rails on the majority of roads throughout the State.

I to am a lifelong Oregonian with now 4 years touring the us and sure, there are no guardrail roads in places in Oregon .. I’ve found the rest of the country no different. Where are you getting this sales tax / roads info from ? All roads .. everywhere are “built “up with gravel shoulders.
Besides this crash was mislabeled and is a Washington crash. What about Washington state guardrails? On built up roads! I think they have a high sales tax but roads are generally from the fuel tax.
Old time Oregonians are a little touchy when transplants start talking sales tax to fix problems lol

RedRollingRoadblock wrote:

Executive wrote:

RedRollingRoadblock wrote:
Not that it makes much difference of the results but a couple of questions arise about the where of the crash.

"It took the Ilwaco Fire Department over an hour"... From Ilwaco it is at least a 30 minute drive to anyplace in Oregon and that includes a 5 mile drive across the Astoria–Megler Bridge.

/snip/

It didn't take the FD an hour to get there; it took them an hour to dig the passenger out of the debris. Re-read the comment....Dennis

The point I was making was that the Ilwaco FD would have been highly unlikely to be called into Oregon. I worded it very poorly.

My guess is that this crash happened south of Ilwaco, on either 101 or Washington 401. Both are winding and many places have very little shoulder. Not an Oregon crash this happened in SW Washington.

It's sad and rough to have that happen
But one tire cost more than emg roadside assistance does per year And a totaled RV is a large loss, they are out a lot more $$, than the increased insurances premium would have cost them
They lost whatever money the RV cost them
Comprehensive insurance (full coverage) would have covered most of that loss