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Quint_Da_Man
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Jul 13, 2015

We want to buy our 1st coach and eventually go full time

The research begins, the long journey of figuring out our needs and wants, and finding the best rig for our lifestyle and if course our budget.
Our plans are to sell everything including our home, and travel the US and Canada for a few years then figure out where we'd like to settle down or continue to full time for a longer period of time. We own a 5th wheel now and were transient for a number of years before becoming seasonal for the last 4 years. We have even thought of hanging on to the seasonal site and staying their in the summer months and traveling for the winter months. The site is in New Hampshire in the White Mountains which we love, and enjoy the hiking and kayaking, and the site is very reasonably priced.
I have so many thoughts and questions and thought the best way for me to educate myself would be to start a thread and lay them out and get peoples opinions and experiences.

We are not quite sure if we want to buy new or used. If we do buy used I wouldn't want to go more than 4 or 5 years old but would prefer even newer if possible. One of the things we have done to prepare ourselves for purchasing used is to have a half dozen or so rigs we think are in our price range that we like all picked out. What we do is attend the Hersey RV show almost every year and crawl through the motor homes there, talk with the dealers and manufacturers, grab the brochures and MSRP and show discounted price and note these and other noteworthy information on the brochures so when we start our search for a used rig we are already somewhat familiar with it, crawled through it, etc. As far as general information about the pros and cons of going full time, and the needs and wants of a rig that your in full time, I've started to have long conversations and pick the minds of people who visit the campground that we are seasonal at. Love to chat about their experiences, how they like their rig, is their anything they would do differently etc.

The other option of course is buying new, taking the depreciation hit and living with it for a few years. We plan on keeping the rig for quite a few years, even when we are no longer full time it will still be a 6 months out, 6 month home type of lifestyle wherever we decide to settle. We are trying to decide on length of rig, will a 36' diesel with all the amenities we want be enough, or should we go with a 40' coach. We are thinking 36-38 to give us more flexibility in campground choice and national parks, maneuverability, going to some of the more remote places up in Alaska, and the lower 48, little bit less on fuel consumption on the smaller rig etc. Or maybe we are just thinking about it the wrong way. 40' gives us more room, more storage, more tank storage for longer times dry camping, and larger fuel tank for longer time in-between fill ups, or maybe the difference in fuel mileage in the smaller unit becomes a wash.

I have a few years and I am thinking about 2 different approaches. One is buy a rig now in the coming year or so and tool around in it to get to know what I want and need 1st hand and then buy the "real" rig for full timing in a couple of years. Or wait 2 or 3 years and buy the full time rig right off the bat, be weekend warriors in it for a few years before going out full time. We won't be full time for 5 years so I do have options, thus the posting now.


We both have similar likes as far as layout and wants/needs inside the rig.

King size bed with night table/shelves on both sides. This may not be an option on the smaller rigs.

Decent countertop space in the kitchen as I am the cook and love to practice my hobby, all though the main ingredient will most likely be done on the grill, I love tinkering with side dishes and sauces etc.

TV placement is important to us, I hate the way many of the layouts have the TV placed behind the kitchen table in the kitchen so if anybody is working in the kitchen or sitting at the kitchen table your view can be obstructed. We also prefer not to have it above the dash over the windshield so you have to look up to watch it.

There are only the 2 of us and we never foresee the need to have to accommodate sleeping for more than 2 or need to have the privacy as if there will be others sharing the rig.

Nice big refrigerator with large freezer.

Convection microwave and probably not an oven. I have used the oven in the 5th wheel but on very rare occasions and think I could get along without it.

Small kitchen table with expansion capability for the occasions when hosting if weather forces us inside.

Good size TV in the bedroom



Pullout couch if by chance we do have a sleepover

A desk corner for computer and printer

AC in both main cabin and bedroom

Double sink in kitchen.

Auto leveling.

50 amp service

Some of the things we are not sure of and maybe are purely a luxury and not practical are a dishwasher and washer/drier. They take up storage space but is the convenience worth it?



That's a start, as far as outside the coach, I definitely want a diesel pusher, would love some sort of entertainment center outside. I don't like awnings that are attached to the main body of the coach and then loose half their space to a glide out but may have to settle on that. Lots of underneath storage.

Well that's the start of this thread, I'm hoping people will commit and add. Tell me where my thinking is wrong or lacking. Add your ideas and experiences of what you have found while on your adventures. What you would do differently etc.

Thanks to all

40 Replies

  • WyoTraveler wrote:
    I would keep the 5ver. FT for 8 months to a year. After that you will know exactly what you want and need.


    Thanks all for your comments and ideas, please keep them coming. I will expand on my initial post later today/tonight with follow-up questions.

    As far as keeping what I have and trying out fulltime that's a good idea except for a couple of things. We've been in our 5er for 8 years and there are many things I don't like about it, we can get by for 26 weekends and 3 full weeks a years but no way for full timing in. So that would mean buying another 5th wheel and if I was to get what I want in a 5th wheel I would also have to upgrade my tow vehicle. Also I don't want to full time in a 5er. I would rather not be hauling that around the country and every time we want to go out and explore a region have to jump in a huge truck to do so. I know plenty of people do it but after hauling what I have around I wouldn't want to do it. For me and the wife a coach is the way to go.
  • Found another to add to the discussion;

    stuartvt wrote:

    Hello everyone.

    Within the next 2 to 3 years my wife and I are planning to purchase a motorhome for fulltiming. We will be looking at 40 foot plus models. I would like to know what your preferences are for floor plans. I realize that much of this is just personal preference. I am looking for info on the pros and cons of various layouts. For instance I see that recently there are some offerings of floor plans that have the living room space located rear of the kitchen and dining area. This seems to take the drivers and passenger seats out of the living room area. Has this improved or distracted from the living experience? Two of the rigs we are interested in are the Newmar Dutchstar (Dutch Air) and the Tiffin Allegro Bus.
    Thank you in advance for your input.

    Stuart


    Floor plan should take a back seat to needs/livability – how do you live now? Do you sit in the sofa, the love seat or the easy chair? Do you shower in a ½ sized shower – do you like a comfortable, even temperature in your house? These are the questions you should ask yourself IMHO. Do you need a desk? Do you entertain? Basically how do you live today – we have found that that’s how we lived when we full timed it for a couple of years.

    Bath and a half might be great but that ½ bath is in your living space and if you are like many of us you will likely want to use that space for something other than an occasional private moment, again JMHO. Where will you use the Coach? Because we used our Coach in the Rockies in the winter we had it built with extra insulation and a great heat source (Hydro – Hot) another big issue is the Booth vs Chairs and Table – we elected to eliminate both and built in cabinet with a flip up table (have never missed the dinning room) and sure enjoy and use the extra space.

    For those who say you are planning on something that might not exist in the future, I say Bull. I took three or four years planning on the first Coach and then three more years changing my mind and redesigning a New Coach. Just a couple of more things we found that we enjoyed – Mid station TV – allows you to use the front seats – sofa and Love Seat – HH – longer (43) – Pantry – full width Closet – Basement slide outs – really only need 2 TV’s – would rather walk through the Bath Room than the Bedroom – Tile flooring, with rugs – heated bathroom floor –

    I could go on and on – but take your time – write it down – live with it – read Johnny T’s post on hoe to pick a Coach – have fun and don’t settle for less.

    BOL,

    Almost forgot -- King-sized Bed

    Just adding old thoughts,

    Another post with a couple of pictures
  • Found this old post from 2007;

    What Option or feature did you buy that you really couldn't or wouldn't want to live without?
    For my DW the dishwasher was the best change in the new Coach;

    1. Dishwasher
    2. Hydro-Hot
    3. King bed
    4. Full sized shower
    5. Tile floors
    6. Mid coach TV - allows you to use front seats to watch TV
    7. Large inverter and extra batteries
    8. Table desk combo
    9. Auto start for the generator
    10. Basement slides
    11. extra electric plugs everywhere especially in the front and the desk
    12. W/D combo
    13. Extra insulation so it is suited for winter ( -15 degree use)
    14. Auto cargo locks



    What Option or feature did you buy, that you felt you wasted your money on?

    1. In motion satellite

    What Option of feature did you not buy that you wish you had.

    1. Heated floors-were not available when we ordered but are now

    Advice is to find a manufacturer that will allow you to build it your way and not just with out of the box plans.

    Best of luck,


    Just one of many,
  • Have you looked at any with all your 'wants'? :) Doing so may change your mind on some things. $$$$

    It sounds like you enjoy public parks - national, state, etc. and some boondocking. If you do those in the eastern states, think 36' max.

    We full-timed 16 years traveling mainly in the West in a 33' 5th wheel and 40' motorhome. Our motorhome fit in the same parks as the 33', including national parks, national forests, COE, state parks, county and city parks. We loved boondocking on a river or lake by ourselves. We had no problem with the 40' - in the West.

    We did just fine without a residential refrigerator, washer and dryer or dishwasher. If we ordered new now we still wouldn't order them because of the type of places we like to go. If you just do RV parks with full hookups then go for them. We also ordered our motorhome purposely with only two slides because of having to maneuver among the trees in public parks. Now they probably don't even build a larger DP with only two slides. Used you could find one.

    Good luck finding what's best for YOU. P.S. We loved our Newmar!
  • WyoTraveler wrote:
    I would keep the 5ver. FT for 8 months to a year. After that you will know exactly what you want and need.


    Yep that is what I would do, keep what you have now and try full timing 1st to see if you like that, because buying new now and changing your mind about full timing in a year will be expensive.
  • King size bed with night table/shelves on both sides. This may not be an option on the smaller rigs.
    Decent countertop space in the kitchen as I am the cook and love to practice my hobby, all though the main ingredient will most likely be done on the grill, I love tinkering with side dishes and sauces etc.
    TV placement is important to us, I hate the way many of the layouts have the TV placed behind the kitchen table in the kitchen so if anybody is working in the kitchen or sitting at the kitchen table your view can be obstructed. We also prefer not to have it above the dash over the windshield so you have to look up to watch it.
    There are only the 2 of us and we never foresee the need to have to accommodate sleeping for more than 2 or need to have the privacy as if there will be others sharing the rig.
    Nice big refrigerator with large freezer.
    Convection microwave and probably not an oven. I have used the oven in the 5th wheel but on very rare occasions and think I could get along without it.
    Small kitchen table with expansion capability for the occasions when hosting if weather forces us inside.
    Good size TV in the bedroom
    Some of the things we are not sure of and maybe are purely a luxury and not practical are a dishwasher and washer/drier. They take up storage space but is the convenience worth it?
    Pullout couch if by chance we do have a sleepover
    A desk corner for computer and printer
    AC in both main cabin and bedroom
    Double sink in kitchen.

    what your looking at above most all decent mid-upper level Diesel pushers come standard with
    you definitely want a dishwasher and washer dryer system preferable the stacking system
    If u go 40 or under you most certainly do not need a tag axle
    WATCH what motor your looking at anything less than 400HP sucks when it comes to a 40ft pusher don't be fooled by all the people out there that claim their 340HP ISB 6.7 flys up the hills cause its a lie
  • I would keep the 5ver. FT for 8 months to a year. After that you will know exactly what you want and need.
  • Quint Da Man wrote:
    The research begins, the long journey of figuring out our needs and wants, and finding the best rig for our lifestyle and if course our budget.

    This will be fun

    Our plans are to sell everything including our home, and travel the US and Canada for a few years then figure out where we'd like to settle down or continue to full time for a longer period of time. We own a 5th wheel now and were transient for a number of years before becoming seasonal for the last 4 years. We have even thought of hanging on to the seasonal site and staying their in the summer months and traveling for the winter months. The site is in New Hampshire in the White Mountains which we love, and enjoy the hiking and kayaking, and the site is very reasonably priced.
    I have so many thoughts and questions and thought the best way for me to educate myself would be to start a thread and lay them out and get peoples opinions and experiences.

    You know what they say about Opinions…………….

    We are not quite sure if we want to buy new or used. If we do buy used I wouldn't want to go more than 4 or 5 years old but would prefer even newer if possible. One of the things we have done to prepare ourselves for purchasing used is to have a half dozen or so rigs we think are in our price range that we like all picked out. What we do is attend the Hersey RV show almost every year and crawl through the motor homes there, talk with the dealers and manufacturers, grab the brochures and MSRP and show discounted price and note these and other noteworthy information on the brochures so when we start our search for a used rig we are already somewhat familiar with it, crawled through it, etc. As far as general information about the pros and cons of going full time, and the needs and wants of a rig that your in full time, I've started to have long conversations and pick the minds of people who visit the campground that we are seasonal at. Love to chat about their experiences, how they like their rig, is their anything they would do differently etc.

    Bought a New gasser in 99 that we thought was the rig – after three years we knew it wasn’t and had a long list of the things we now needed. We ordered a custom built TS in 2004 and other than maybe heat in the Bathroom floor not much I would change.

    The other option of course is buying new, taking the depreciation hit and living with it for a few years. We plan on keeping the rig for quite a few years, even when we are no longer full time it will still be a 6 months out, 6 month home type of lifestyle wherever we decide to settle. We are trying to decide on length of rig, will a 36' diesel with all the amenities we want be enough, or should we go with a 40' coach. We are thinking 36-38 to give us more flexibility in campground choice and national parks, maneuverability, going to some of the more remote places up in Alaska, and the lower 48, little bit less on fuel consumption on the smaller rig etc. Or maybe we are just thinking about it the wrong way. 40' gives us more room, more storage, more tank storage for longer times dry camping, and larger fuel tank for longer time in-between fill ups, or maybe the difference in fuel mileage in the smaller unit becomes a wash.

    If you will be living in it, it will never be too large, but can almost always be too small. Fuel saving is not that big a deal the only real way to save on fuel is to be underpowered. It will almost always be an honest 7.5-8.5 on all of them. And we may not be able to stay in every site we have been able to go to every place we have chosen. Flexibility is just BS.

    I have a few years and I am thinking about 2 different approaches. One is buy a rig now in the coming year or so and tool around in it to get to know what I want and need 1st hand and then buy the "real" rig for full timing in a couple of years. Or wait 2 or 3 years and buy the full time rig right off the bat, be weekend warriors in it for a few years before going out full time. We won't be full time for 5 years so I do have options, thus the posting now.

    Told you how we did it and we are still not out there as much as we want.


    We both have similar likes as far as layout and wants/needs inside the rig. Start the LIST:

    King size bed with night table/shelves on both sides. YES
    This may not be an option on the smaller rigs.TRUE

    Decent countertop space in the kitchen as I am the cook and love to practice my hobby, all though the main ingredient will most likely be done on the grill, I love tinkering with side dishes and sauces etc. WILL NEVER BE AS LARGE AS A HOUSE

    TV placement is important to us, I hate the way many of the layouts have the TV placed behind the kitchen table in the kitchen so if anybody is working in the kitchen or sitting at the kitchen table your view can be obstructed. We also prefer not to have it above the dash over the windshield so you have to look up to watch it. CONFUSED WHERE?

    There are only the 2 of us and we never foresee the need to have to accommodate sleeping for more than 2 or need to have the privacy as if there will be others sharing the rig.
    6 FOR COCTAILS
    4 FOR DINNER
    SLEEPS 2 !

    Nice big refrigerator with large freezer. Just about everyone is using residential – I still think gas will give you more options for dry camping.

    Convection microwave and probably not an oven. YES
    I have used the oven in the 5th wheel but on very rare occasions and think I could get along without it. WE HAVE DONE EVERTHING BUT THE TURKEY IN THE COACH.

    Small kitchen table with expansion capability for the occasions when hosting if weather forces us inside. YES

    Good size TV in the bedroom, 32” THAT IS HINGED TO LIFT UP FOR STORAGE.



    Pullout couch if by chance we do have a sleepover jack will work but a good blow up might be better. We sleep 2

    A desk corner for computer and printer Combo with the Dinning Table

    AC in both main cabin and bedroom Get three A/C’s you can always turn one off.

    Double sink in kitchen. We have it but would prefer a large single -Pan

    Auto leveling. Yes – but you still need a level.

    50 amp service YES

    Some of the things we are not sure of and maybe are purely a luxury and not practical are a dishwasher and washer/drier. BOTH
    They take up storage space but is the convenience worth it? COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT IT.



    That's a start, as far as outside the coach, I definitely want a diesel pusher,
    YES
    would love some sort of entertainment center outside. NO
    I don't like awnings that are attached to the main body of the coach and then loose half their space to a glide out but may have to settle on that. Full length awning
    Lots of underneath storage. LOTS

    Well that's the start of this thread, I'm hoping people will commit and add. Tell me where my thinking is wrong or lacking. Add your ideas and experiences of what you have found while on your adventures. What you would do differently etc.
    ADD;
    Tile floors
    Aqua Hot
    Extra insulation
    Really good shades
    All Solid Wood cabinets
    Big closet
    Pantry
    Large residential sized Shower
    Pull out trays
    Tag axle
    Solar on the roof
    Electric toilet
    Trash can to outside
    That’ it for now




    Thanks to all


    Let’s see how it goes,
  • Be sure to check with The RV Consumer Group for their ideas as to what makes an RV suitable for full-timing.
  • Quint Da Man wrote:
    The research begins, the long journey of figuring out our needs and wants, and finding the best rig for our lifestyle and if course our budget.
    Our plans are to sell everything including our home, and travel the US and Canada for a few years then figure out where we'd like to settle down or continue to full time for a longer period of time. We own a 5th wheel now and were transient for a number of years before becoming seasonal for the last 4 years. We have even thought of hanging on to the seasonal site and staying their in the summer months and traveling for the winter months. The site is in New Hampshire in the White Mountains which we love, and enjoy the hiking and kayaking, and the site is very reasonably priced.
    I have so many thoughts and questions and thought the best way for me to educate myself would be to start a thread and lay them out and get peoples opinions and experiences.

    We are not quite sure if we want to buy new or used. If we do buy used I wouldn't want to go more than 4 or 5 years old but would prefer even newer if possible. One of the things we have done to prepare ourselves for purchasing used is to have a half dozen or so rigs we think are in our price range that we like all picked out. What we do is attend the Hersey RV show almost every year and crawl through the motor homes there, talk with the dealers and manufacturers, grab the brochures and MSRP and show discounted price and note these and other noteworthy information on the brochures so when we start our search for a used rig we are already somewhat familiar with it, crawled through it, etc. As far as general information about the pros and cons of going full time, and the needs and wants of a rig that your in full time, I've started to have long conversations and pick the minds of people who visit the campground that we are seasonal at. Love to chat about their experiences, how they like their rig, is their anything they would do differently etc.

    The other option of course is buying new, taking the depreciation hit and living with it for a few years. We plan on keeping the rig for quite a few years, even when we are no longer full time it will still be a 6 months out, 6 month home type of lifestyle wherever we decide to settle. We are trying to decide on length of rig, will a 36' diesel with all the amenities we want be enough, or should we go with a 40' coach. We are thinking 36-38 to give us more flexibility in campground choice and national parks, maneuverability, going to some of the more remote places up in Alaska, and the lower 48, little bit less on fuel consumption on the smaller rig etc. Or maybe we are just thinking about it the wrong way. 40' gives us more room, more storage, more tank storage for longer times dry camping, and larger fuel tank for longer time in-between fill ups, or maybe the difference in fuel mileage in the smaller unit becomes a wash.

    I have a few years and I am thinking about 2 different approaches. One is buy a rig now in the coming year or so and tool around in it to get to know what I want and need 1st hand and then buy the "real" rig for full timing in a couple of years. Or wait 2 or 3 years and buy the full time rig right off the bat, be weekend warriors in it for a few years before going out full time. We won't be full time for 5 years so I do have options, thus the posting now.


    We both have similar likes as far as layout and wants/needs inside the rig.

    King size bed with night table/shelves on both sides. This may not be an option on the smaller rigs.

    Decent countertop space in the kitchen as I am the cook and love to practice my hobby, all though the main ingredient will most likely be done on the grill, I love tinkering with side dishes and sauces etc.

    TV placement is important to us, I hate the way many of the layouts have the TV placed behind the kitchen table in the kitchen so if anybody is working in the kitchen or sitting at the kitchen table your view can be obstructed. We also prefer not to have it above the dash over the windshield so you have to look up to watch it.

    There are only the 2 of us and we never foresee the need to have to accommodate sleeping for more than 2 or need to have the privacy as if there will be others sharing the rig.

    Nice big refrigerator with large freezer.

    Convection microwave and probably not an oven. I have used the oven in the 5th wheel but on very rare occasions and think I could get along without it.

    Small kitchen table with expansion capability for the occasions when hosting if weather forces us inside.

    Good size TV in the bedroom

    Some of the things we are not sure of and maybe are purely a luxury and not practical are a dishwasher and washer/drier. They take up storage space but is the convenience worth it?

    Pullout couch if by chance we do have a sleepover

    A desk corner for computer and printer

    AC in both main cabin and bedroom

    Double sink in kitchen.

    That's a start, as far as outside the coach, I definitely want a diesel pusher, would love some sort of entertainment center outside. I don't like awnings that are attached to the main body of the coach and then loose half their space to a glide out but may have to settle on that. Lots of underneath storage.

    Well that's the start of this thread, I'm hoping people will commit and add. Tell me where my thinking is wrong or lacking. Add your ideas and experiences of what you have found while on your adventures. What you would do differently etc.

    Thanks to all


    We should talk - PM me and I'll give you a call then write it all down, did most of what you are doing between 99-04 when we had our unit built.

    Bill