When I had my first manual Dish with 2 lnb's it took about 10 minutes to setup. When I went to a HD dish with 3 lnb's the setup time and difficulty to hit all HD channels became much harder. would take 30 to 60 minutes and on a few ocasions even longer. One time when at a site for more than a week a needed to call out the Dish Tech who aimed the dish and it took him 30 minutes to get it on. That was it...I bought a Tailgater. Lasted 6 months before it quit. Was replaced under warranty. The second one lasted about a year and a half and now it's stopped working. Seriously thinking of going back to the manual HD dish...