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hlloyd59
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Feb 26, 2015

Purchasing an RV and taxes

Wow what a mistake. We had our eyes on an RV made by Thor as our next purchase and trading in our old RV.

On a whim we found a unit in Panama City Florida. We stopped and worked out an acceptable deal.

In the end the dealer wrote of the paperwork using retail prices. The new RV was listed at MSRP and our trade was grossed up well beyond book value. This all seemed innocent enough as the bottom line came to the negotiated price.

30 days latter in our home state of VA it was time to take care of registering the motor home at the state and county level. Turns out DMV uses the bill of sale and bases its taxes on the sale price of the new home and the county uses the same number DMV uses. This resulted in an overpayment of taxes in excess of 12k in the first year.

When purchasing a new motor home be careful in how the dealer draws up paper work. If they start at MSRP as the "sale price" and work down through various deductions such as promotions, inflated down payments etc. you could be in for a surprise when and if you have taxes based on the "sale price".

We contacted the dealer and explained our issue and how they way their paperwork exposed us to the unexpected taxes and sought a affidavit of the legitimate sales price. They would not produce the documents.

So a very expensive lesson learned. With 100k plus RVs pay attention to the sales price listed on your documents. No monkey business on the paperwork!

20 Replies

  • mgirardo wrote:
    Markiemark32 wrote:

    GA recently, did away with advalorim (Spelling?) taxes on driveables, so my recent purchase of a Class C, did not have additonal taxes when registrating for a tag, just tag fees ($25).:B

    Markiemark:C


    That's not entirely accurate. GA did away with the yearly Ad Valorem tax. Now it is paid up front at the time of purchase. So yes, now we only pay the yearly tag fee, but we still pay the Ad Valorem at the time of purchase. It should be a line item on your bill of sale.

    However, the kicker here is that we pay the Ad Valorem whether it is a new or used vehicle. In the past, we did not have to pay sales tax when buying a used vehicle. Now we pay the Ad Valorem when transferring the title. Then it's the tag fee, which in Glynn County is only $20.

    -Michael



    Correct --Thanks for clearing up.

    MArkiemark:C
  • Markiemark32 wrote:

    GA recently, did away with advalorim (Spelling?) taxes on driveables, so my recent purchase of a Class C, did not have additonal taxes when registrating for a tag, just tag fees ($25).:B

    Markiemark:C


    That's not entirely accurate. GA did away with the yearly Ad Valorem tax. Now it is paid up front at the time of purchase. So yes, now we only pay the yearly tag fee, but we still pay the Ad Valorem at the time of purchase. It should be a line item on your bill of sale.

    However, the kicker here is that we pay the Ad Valorem whether it is a new or used vehicle. In the past, we did not have to pay sales tax when buying a used vehicle. Now we pay the Ad Valorem when transferring the title. Then it's the tag fee, which in Glynn County is only $20.

    -Michael
  • Each state is different and you need to know the repercussions. I know some states do their taxing on the price of the new coach, minus the trade in, since you already paid the tax on the trade. In California, they don't care. If you buy an RV for $100K on Monday, you pay 8% tax ($8K). If you trade that coach in on Wednesday for a $150K coach, you'll pay another 8% on that purchase ($12K).
  • Maybe overpaid, maybe not. When Oklahoma collected ad valorum tax on vehicles, the basis was not sale price, it was MSRP, no matter what deal one worked out to manipulate numbers on the invoice. The state pulled the values from their own database.

    Whether or not sales or excise tax is based on trade difference or sale price also varies state to state.
  • It helps on the financing as it appears you have a big down payment / trade in
  • VintageRacer wrote:
    Is this property tax or sales tax? I would expect the property tax to be on the value of the thing in question, or the top line number, while the sales tax should be on the net number, the difference between the price and the trade that you actually paid out of pocket.

    Brian


    They are speaking of tag registration fees :
    30 days latter in our home state of VA it was time to take care of registering the motor home at the state and county level. Turns out DMV uses the bill of sale and bases its taxes on the sale price of the new home and the county uses the same number DMV uses. This resulted in an overpayment of taxes in excess of 12k in the first year.


    DMV -Dept of Motor Vehicles


    Happened the same here in GA with a friend of mine who purchased a fiver toyhauler, becuase of a trade in, it was shown at the very inflated MSRP, with the trade in valued extra high, his tag taxes where not good.

    GA recently, did away with advalorim (Spelling?) taxes on driveables, so my recent purchase of a Class C, did not have additonal taxes when registrating for a tag, just tag fees ($25).:B


    Seems to be common way they do the trade-in sales. Would there be a benefit to the dealer's accounting - (taxes on their end, taking a loss on the trades)????


    Markiemark:C
  • Usually you pay sales tax on the price you paid less the trade value. It's only the difference that counts. In NH I believe the tax you pay when you register the vehicle is on MSRP. It then declines as the vehicle ages.
  • Is this property tax or sales tax? I would expect the property tax to be on the value of the thing in question, or the top line number, while the sales tax should be on the net number, the difference between the price and the trade that you actually paid out of pocket.

    Brian
  • Normally a dealer will mention that to the buyer and only write on the contract what you paid. I always ask before they start writing. MSRP is way over inflated on RVs. It is only worth what you pay and starts depreciating rapidly from there.