And Texas Caves In
The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.
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- I might of missed it, but the only reason to not have the "Shelter in Place" order is "people losing jobs". But that does not make sense, because people doing the important work are still doing it. What we really need to do is have as many people as possible stay home but protect their income
rexlion wrote:
Sweden’ approach was to protect the most vulnerable while letting the stronger to get infected to build herd immunity. Their approach hasn’t protected the most vulnerable.
Sweden took a good, common-sense approach that is less restrictive and less demanding than the North American approach. I like what they're doing.
Sweden’s flawed coronavirus battle plan hits the poor & elderly, resulting in worst death count among Nordic countriesThe authorities have been repeating for weeks that the paramount aim of their strategy is to protect the elderly. But 40 percent of all victims were infected in homes housing them. And while no testing has been provided to the personnel taking care of these elderly, the virus has reached one third of Stockholm nursing homes. The vast majority of Covid-19 deaths in Sweden corresponds to people aged over 70.
But they are building herd immunity faster than their neighboring countries.In only three days, the total fatalities in Sweden due to the current epidemic rose from 477 to 881. While the problem started roughly about the same time in all the Scandinavian countries, Sweden’s stats are among the worst.
Sweden has not only the highest rate of fatalities per capita, but also the total death toll is higher than that of all the other Nordic countries put together. As of April 10, Sweden has 86 Covid-19 fatalities per one million of population, while Finland has nine, Norway 20, and Denmark 43. (The U.S. has 47, and Russia 0.5 Covid-19 fatalities per one million, respectively).
The good news for Sweden is they have much lower rates than in the USA of the underlying conditions for Covid-19 (obesity, diabetes, respiratory conditions, etc).- “ What would Texas' tragic count be if there was no "stay at home" bandwagon or Texans ignored it?”
Unfortunately we will never know. But I do know that this virus will spread no matter what we do. We cannot control nature, despite what some may think! Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Are the hospitals not overrun because the virus is not that serious? Or because the actions we are taking has worked?
Sweeden says it's the former
Last I heard, Sweden is having more cases then countries around.
Another thought about laid off medical workers. If the hospitals can not get the equipment to protect them might be better not have them come to work.- Not sure the Sweden approach would work best in all places and cultures.
Good on them if it works there. Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sweden took a good, common-sense approach that is less restrictive and less demanding than the North American approach. I like what they're doing.Are the hospitals not overrun because the virus is not that serious? Or because the actions we are taking has worked?
Sweeden says it's the formerAre the hospitals not overrun because the virus is not that serious? Or because the actions we are taking has worked?
Sweeden says it's the formerThere may be some concerns in some areas of the country about overwhelmed hospitals, but that is not the case in all areas. My ex-wife works at a hospital in a city of 75,000 people, and they are laying off nurses and cutting their hours. The hospital is not busy, and is in no danger of being overwhelmed. There are a couple hospitals in the area that are busy with cases, but most are simply not overwhelmed. Busy, yes, overwhelmed, no.
Again I have to ask, what overwhelmed system? One of my daughters is a nurse in Raleigh at a major hospital there, it's very quiet. I have a different daughter who is a nurse at a major hospital in Cleveland. Same thing, very quiet. I don't claim to speak for all hospitals, but these examples are hardly unusual for much of the country. In fact, hospital layoffs are becoming a common story. Shall I link some for you?
Many of us are of the opinion that we (societal) are being too careful. It's not a question of some want us all to die. We just see the risk far differently based on the evidence we can see.
This is a couple of examples of the problems dealing with the unknown. Are the hospitals not overrun because the virus is not that serious? Or because the actions we are taking has worked? Remember, most of what we are doing will also slow cold and flu.westernrvparkowner wrote:
The fastest test today takes about 15 minutes. At any given time the average Walmart has about 100 people working. It would take more than a day to process an 8 hour shift. And even if you tested every employee, what about the customers? They are just as likely to infect others (including those employees who just tested clean) and there is no way to test them before they enter. Testing as a way to actually control the spread is a false promise. Covid19 is something we will just have to adapt to having as a threat, just like many other diseases. The best hope short term is that some of the treatments currently in use prove to be beneficial. Mid term, hopefully those treatments will be refined, augmented and improved. Long term it is hoped that an effective vaccine can be developed. Making it just go away by segregating the population by some kind of testing is not feasible.
Will testing control it? No. But without testing, we have no way to know if actions taken are effective. It would be better to go door to door, and test everybody. But if everybody that is working in the stores and shops, and meeting with the public are tested often, and staying negative, then you can move resources to another area. If you get a lot of positive tests, need to work more to sanitize the store, maybe random test people wanting to shop.- TEXAS - April 16 - 16,455 infected 393 deaths (more than at the Alamo)
April 15 - 15,492 infected 364 deaths (more than at Goliad)
April 14 - 14,624 infected 318 deaths
April 13 - 13,906 infected 287 deaths
April 12 - 13,484 infected and 271 deaths
April 10 - 12,561 cases and 254 deaths
April 9 - 10,230 infected and 199 deaths
OP quotes on April 7 "Stupid are the people who jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon..." and "The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon."
What would Texas' tragic count be if there was no "stay at home" bandwagon or Texans ignored it?
